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Looking to get into a 928 after selling my 911. Have been reading up on the pros and cons here on the website. My wrench tell me to stay away from the 928's but I know he has always favored the 911's. What do you guys think of this car...http://cannillomotorsports.com/inven...928s/b928s.htm. Its local and i'm going to check it out this weekend, Thanks in advance for all your input
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Has a real good look to it, all around, from the few pictures shown.
Other records or history available? PPI important! Maybe even a tranny review by the Steve Cataneo shop north of NYC?
If its really well sorted, it doesn't seem exhorbitantly priced. Key is how well-sorted.
It seems to be a good time for a buyer, so better prices may be out there.
Other records or history available? PPI important! Maybe even a tranny review by the Steve Cataneo shop north of NYC?
If its really well sorted, it doesn't seem exhorbitantly priced. Key is how well-sorted.
It seems to be a good time for a buyer, so better prices may be out there.
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A few more random thoughts, maybe for negotiation leverage, no substitute for PPI,
When was water pump replaced?
How are motor mounts + pan gasket. Fan blades starting to get close to fan shroud on bottom?
Any delay engaging reverse?
A/C operational?
I've been engaged in this hobby for a bit more that a year, deeply immersed albeit, but other guys here have much more thorough input and advice.
When was water pump replaced?
How are motor mounts + pan gasket. Fan blades starting to get close to fan shroud on bottom?
Any delay engaging reverse?
A/C operational?
I've been engaged in this hobby for a bit more that a year, deeply immersed albeit, but other guys here have much more thorough input and advice.
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If it has the S-4 brakes then it's an 86.5 not an 86 which is a plus. I have the 86and love it you can add a few things and bring the power up. I would recommend this car but see if he will take 8K. Looking at the invoices they are charging way too much. If you can do your own work and considering the major maintenance is done you will have a nice car.
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+1 on other's thoughts. 1000+ on VIN so it's an 86.5, good thing. Service record show a whole lot of little things were done, but not much value ($2300+ in labor cost, ouch!). Lots of bigger tickets items would need to be looked at, hence the PPI recommendations.
Keep us posted on your interest and futher questions.
Keep us posted on your interest and futher questions.
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Looking to get into a 928 after selling my 911. Have been reading up on the pros and cons here on the website. My wrench tell me to stay away from the 928's but I know he has always favored the 911's. What do you guys think of this car...http://cannillomotorsports.com/inven...928s/b928s.htm. Its local and i'm going to check it out this weekend, Thanks in advance for all your input
So I'm gonna throw in too....
You just came out of a 911 - unless it was a tiptronic, or you do alot of city driving, look for a five speed.
I would highly suggest you look around at a few, and do your best to drive them all, from the OB's, to the S4's.. and GT's.
They are all quite different in weight, and handling, which is only apparent when you drive them.
The PPI is needed, and not from your normal Pcar dealer, make sure it's done with someone who truly knows the 928.
My .02
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Well you asked...
So I'm gonna throw in too....
You just came out of a 911 - unless it was a tiptronic, or you do alot of city driving, look for a five speed.
I would highly suggest you look around at a few, and do your best to drive them all, from the OB's, to the S4's.. and GT's.
They are all quite different in weight, and handling, which is only apparent when you drive them.
The PPI is needed, and not from your normal Pcar dealer, make sure it's done with someone who truly knows the 928.
My .02
So I'm gonna throw in too....
You just came out of a 911 - unless it was a tiptronic, or you do alot of city driving, look for a five speed.
I would highly suggest you look around at a few, and do your best to drive them all, from the OB's, to the S4's.. and GT's.
They are all quite different in weight, and handling, which is only apparent when you drive them.
The PPI is needed, and not from your normal Pcar dealer, make sure it's done with someone who truly knows the 928.
My .02
That being said, the car you linked above looks good. Get a PPI, as I'm sure it will show some things. You can probably get that car for less than $9k. I'd use the PPI results to gauge your offer.
And these cars are awesome, regardless of what your ol' 911 wrench says.
Maybe one of the NYC 928 guys here will catch this thread and offer to look at the car with you. It really helps to have a separate set of eyes look at a 928.
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928S 5speed in Westchester NY
My mechanic Zen at Angus Imports has an 86S 5 Speed for sale. Black w/Tan interior. I don't know the mileage but I know that he takes care of his cars. You can call him at 914 763 3628.
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Here is what I see just from the pictures.
What is that purple crap coming out of the passenger side center console area?
It's missing the jump post cover on the passenger side front, in the engine compartment.
Was it repainted on the drivers fender?
On the records, $7.00 for a chassis lube, can't figure that out yet.
Looks like it's been sorted pretty well on all fluids, I'd like to see more detailed pictures.
What is that purple crap coming out of the passenger side center console area?
It's missing the jump post cover on the passenger side front, in the engine compartment.
Was it repainted on the drivers fender?
On the records, $7.00 for a chassis lube, can't figure that out yet.
Looks like it's been sorted pretty well on all fluids, I'd like to see more detailed pictures.
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I had LI Steve look at it
Here is his report:
"I didn't drive the car - it was in the showroom behind about 8 other cars. The condition is a bit rough - there were a bunch of chips in the paint in some weird spots (A-Pillar, under rear hatch, front hood (that one is normal), rear quarter) and most of them were rusting. I just got a weird feeling about it - something didn't seem right, though it seemed like all original paint. It probably needs an entire respray, unless you can live with 1/2 inch chips in the paint, down to the metal and rusting.
The sunroof didn't close properly. The interior was pretty rough - typical dash cracks, some of the leather was pulling away from the doors, etc. The glass looked original.
The engine looked OK, but not good. He had receipts for fixing valve cover leaks, but there is still plenty of oil seaping out from the front of the valve covers. Also, there were some components in there that were rusting as well. The air intakes were in need of replacing as well.
He had a receipt for a timing belt, but it does not look like they did the tensioner at that time, and that could be a reason to have to redo the belt.
If you're still into it, I will ask him to move it to the front of the showroom and go back to drive it - I just didn't want to make him move 8 cars if you're not into the cosmetic problems."
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"I didn't drive the car - it was in the showroom behind about 8 other cars. The condition is a bit rough - there were a bunch of chips in the paint in some weird spots (A-Pillar, under rear hatch, front hood (that one is normal), rear quarter) and most of them were rusting. I just got a weird feeling about it - something didn't seem right, though it seemed like all original paint. It probably needs an entire respray, unless you can live with 1/2 inch chips in the paint, down to the metal and rusting.
The sunroof didn't close properly. The interior was pretty rough - typical dash cracks, some of the leather was pulling away from the doors, etc. The glass looked original.
The engine looked OK, but not good. He had receipts for fixing valve cover leaks, but there is still plenty of oil seaping out from the front of the valve covers. Also, there were some components in there that were rusting as well. The air intakes were in need of replacing as well.
He had a receipt for a timing belt, but it does not look like they did the tensioner at that time, and that could be a reason to have to redo the belt.
If you're still into it, I will ask him to move it to the front of the showroom and go back to drive it - I just didn't want to make him move 8 cars if you're not into the cosmetic problems."
Hope that helps
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In terms of 5 speed versus auto, I agree that the manual is loads more fun to drive. However, there are times when I'm stuck in NE traffic where the heavy clutch is a pain in the neck. If I lived or worked in a major city with city driving, I might have opted for an auto. Never thought I'd say that.
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The car looks OK, worth investigating. It is an 86.5, one of the favored varieties.
Don't let your mechanic or that service bill scare you too much. The parts in that service bill were marked up more than 150%. $83 for an air filter! It's already expensive enough at the usual $32 retail.
As to AT versus stick, I drive my AT version like a stick, just without the extra pedal and it works great. If you leave the car in D, it won't feel as lively as a stick. If you row the shifter like I do, the difference is minimal and the AT is a very strong, usually trouble-free tranny. My opinion is to get the best car you can in terms of condition and put other preferences further down the list.
It's best to find a 928 with a well-known history and apparent careful ownership. I may have lucked out to some extent, but I bought my car in excellent condition from the complusive first owner and have had no significant issues in my 9 years and 125K miles of ownership, and you can see I'm having a LOT of fun with the car. There are some common idiosyncrasies that trouble owners and mechanics who are not aware of them. So, if you get a 928, read over the newbie notes and, in particular, Greg Nichol's 928 Tips, and you will be able to easily handle most of these issues, and ownership will be much more enjoyable. Yes, my LH brain conked out, but because I had read the tips, I knew what it was almost immediately and my down-time was less than an hour. I've helped other owners who have had their cars die on them in the middle of nowhere get back on the road in 5 minutes by having them swap a few relays. Gauges not working? Knowing that the gauges run through the interior light fuse in some model years, and that a shorted overhead light housing is often responsible, can get them back working in a few minutes. You get the idea.
Take your time and find the best 928 you can afford.
Don't let your mechanic or that service bill scare you too much. The parts in that service bill were marked up more than 150%. $83 for an air filter! It's already expensive enough at the usual $32 retail.
As to AT versus stick, I drive my AT version like a stick, just without the extra pedal and it works great. If you leave the car in D, it won't feel as lively as a stick. If you row the shifter like I do, the difference is minimal and the AT is a very strong, usually trouble-free tranny. My opinion is to get the best car you can in terms of condition and put other preferences further down the list.
It's best to find a 928 with a well-known history and apparent careful ownership. I may have lucked out to some extent, but I bought my car in excellent condition from the complusive first owner and have had no significant issues in my 9 years and 125K miles of ownership, and you can see I'm having a LOT of fun with the car. There are some common idiosyncrasies that trouble owners and mechanics who are not aware of them. So, if you get a 928, read over the newbie notes and, in particular, Greg Nichol's 928 Tips, and you will be able to easily handle most of these issues, and ownership will be much more enjoyable. Yes, my LH brain conked out, but because I had read the tips, I knew what it was almost immediately and my down-time was less than an hour. I've helped other owners who have had their cars die on them in the middle of nowhere get back on the road in 5 minutes by having them swap a few relays. Gauges not working? Knowing that the gauges run through the interior light fuse in some model years, and that a shorted overhead light housing is often responsible, can get them back working in a few minutes. You get the idea.
Take your time and find the best 928 you can afford.
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As to AT versus stick, I drive my AT version like a stick, just without the extra pedal and it works great. If you leave the car in D, it won't feel as lively as a stick. If you row the shifter like I do, the difference is minimal and the AT is a very strong, usually trouble-free tranny.
Got the S4 5 sp and its a world of difference, I love the 5 sp, for me there's no comparison in the fun factor.
And nothing against the autos, they are great. It just depends on what you want, and what you like.
A test ride in both an auto and a manual would be ideal, but not always easy to come by of course.
Good luck with the search. -Ed