I'm popping my cherry...and you're invited to help.
10-14-2008, 10:04 AM
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I feel badly for David and Iceman. Here they have these cars that just about anyone on this board would buy if they were starting over again. Then noobies come along looking for the diamond in the rough and ignore the advice of the learned members. Their skin must crawl everytime these pleas for advice pop up and everyone's advice gets ignored. Hopefully someone with common sense will swallow up these cars.
10-14-2008, 10:26 AM
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OT: the title of this thread reminds me of an corporate news letter we made once. We had a new CEO for our consulting business, who had a totally hot PA. Her name was Cherry. It was widely rumored she was more than a 'business' PA. So we made an article about how with a new CEO things were going to change for the better in our LOB. The article title was 'Cherry on top of the Consulting pie' 
She actually sued the company over that article and left with a nice chunk of change.
Carry on...
She actually sued the company over that article and left with a nice chunk of change.Carry on...
10-14-2008, 10:52 AM
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Another point about the AC. You don't say, but I assume both are R12. You probably know that is good to keep from a function standpoint, but bad from the repair, not the price but who has the equipment, I don't know any shop that still have R12 equipment; you should add in the cost of coversion. If all it needs (??) is a few oz top off, you can get it on ebay.
You will either love the shark or hate it. It doesn't sound like you are a DIYer. That might predict a hate outcome if you aren't prepared to dump your wallet on the table for these other cars. Good luck. I mean that in the nicest way.
BTW, my '85 is also FS, well sorted, $9K.
You will either love the shark or hate it. It doesn't sound like you are a DIYer. That might predict a hate outcome if you aren't prepared to dump your wallet on the table for these other cars. Good luck. I mean that in the nicest way.
BTW, my '85 is also FS, well sorted, $9K.
10-14-2008, 12:26 PM
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And that assumes you can find someone who really knows 928s.
IMO, a well-running 928 that isn't going to strand you on the road with most accessories working, a not-worn-out suspension, A/C working, and all the under-hood rubber replaced within the last 5 years is a $20k+ car. If you want nearly-flawless inside and out, with updated wheels, and a nice suspension, you're looking at $30k before you can get to the point of simple scheduled maintenance.
This assumes you are doing most of the mechanical work yourself and just paying for new parts.
If you are looking at a 'normal' 20 year-old 928 that has only been 'fixed' when something broke then you are looking at $20k minus the purchase price (more-or-less) in parts to get it into nearly-faultless working order.
I feel badly for David and Iceman. Here they have these cars that just about anyone on this board would buy if they were starting over again. Then noobies come along looking for the diamond in the rough and ignore the advice of the learned members. Their skin must crawl everytime these pleas for advice pop up and everyone's advice gets ignored. Hopefully someone with common sense will swallow up these cars.
If either or both of those cars fits my descriptions herein, then they are priced for theft not sale.
A 928 that doesn't need the dash removed to fix the A/C, and the engine pulled to replace all the rubber and plastic, every suspension part replaced, and doesn't have issues with electrical accessories, costs an amount of time and money that only those that have done it can really understand.
This isn't to say at all that 928s are bad cars. They are wonderful cars when they're sorted. But, they're 20 years old. Find me any 20 year-old car of any make or model that has just been 'fixed' that doesn't need five figures of restoration work to bring it back to near-factory condition.
Super-car performance and looks do not come with a used-Honda price.
10-14-2008, 01:37 PM
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I wish the economy was just a tad better. i would sell my BMW and but this car for my daly driver in a heartbeat!
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I need a "real" street 928!
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I need a "real" street 928!
OMG, dude buy my '87 and don't get screwed.
The AC works, the switches need no extra clicking, TB/WP are done, new shocks, wheels and tires.
More things have been done to this car than I even want to write in this post.
PPI is welcome.
And I'm having mine color sanded, clay barred, and polished for $300 right now to prepare it for selling.
In reference to the 2 cars you are looking at, the '89 with 57k miles sounds better, but the part about a high school kid owning it for 9 months worries me for some reason.
The AC works, the switches need no extra clicking, TB/WP are done, new shocks, wheels and tires.
More things have been done to this car than I even want to write in this post.
PPI is welcome.
And I'm having mine color sanded, clay barred, and polished for $300 right now to prepare it for selling.
In reference to the 2 cars you are looking at, the '89 with 57k miles sounds better, but the part about a high school kid owning it for 9 months worries me for some reason.
10-14-2008, 01:40 PM
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+1,000,000
And that assumes you can find someone who really knows 928s.
IMO, a well-running 928 that isn't going to strand you on the road with most accessories working, a not-worn-out suspension, A/C working, and all the under-hood rubber replaced within the last 5 years is a $20k+ car. If you want nearly-flawless inside and out, with updated wheels, and a nice suspension, you're looking at $30k before you can get to the point of simple scheduled maintenance.
This assumes you are doing most of the mechanical work yourself and just paying for new parts.
If you are looking at a 'normal' 20 year-old 928 that has only been 'fixed' when something broke then you are looking at $20k minus the purchase price (more-or-less) in parts to get it into nearly-faultless working order.
+1,000,001.
If either or both of those cars fits my descriptions herein, then they are priced for theft not sale.
A 928 that doesn't need the dash removed to fix the A/C, and the engine pulled to replace all the rubber and plastic, every suspension part replaced, and doesn't have issues with electrical accessories, costs an amount of time and money that only those that have done it can really understand.
This isn't to say at all that 928s are bad cars. They are wonderful cars when they're sorted. But, they're 20 years old. Find me any 20 year-old car of any make or model that has just been 'fixed' that doesn't need five figures of restoration work to bring it back to near-factory condition.
Super-car performance and looks do not come with a used-Honda price.
And that assumes you can find someone who really knows 928s.
IMO, a well-running 928 that isn't going to strand you on the road with most accessories working, a not-worn-out suspension, A/C working, and all the under-hood rubber replaced within the last 5 years is a $20k+ car. If you want nearly-flawless inside and out, with updated wheels, and a nice suspension, you're looking at $30k before you can get to the point of simple scheduled maintenance.
This assumes you are doing most of the mechanical work yourself and just paying for new parts.
If you are looking at a 'normal' 20 year-old 928 that has only been 'fixed' when something broke then you are looking at $20k minus the purchase price (more-or-less) in parts to get it into nearly-faultless working order.
+1,000,001.
If either or both of those cars fits my descriptions herein, then they are priced for theft not sale.
A 928 that doesn't need the dash removed to fix the A/C, and the engine pulled to replace all the rubber and plastic, every suspension part replaced, and doesn't have issues with electrical accessories, costs an amount of time and money that only those that have done it can really understand.
This isn't to say at all that 928s are bad cars. They are wonderful cars when they're sorted. But, they're 20 years old. Find me any 20 year-old car of any make or model that has just been 'fixed' that doesn't need five figures of restoration work to bring it back to near-factory condition.
Super-car performance and looks do not come with a used-Honda price.
Well said.....
10-14-2008, 01:53 PM
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I feel badly for David and Iceman. Here they have these cars that just about anyone on this board would buy if they were starting over again. Then noobies come along looking for the diamond in the rough and ignore the advice of the learned members. Their skin must crawl everytime these pleas for advice pop up and everyone's advice gets ignored. Hopefully someone with common sense will swallow up these cars.
10-14-2008, 02:12 PM
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I'm in Atlanta and happy to help if you want. I've been down both roads, buying a project car for cheap, and buying a really nice car. I sold the project car for exactly what I paid for it, while putting in almost six grand that was a complete writeoff. I bought my current very nice car for less than I had in the project car! Ask anyone here who's seen my car and they will tell you how nice it is, and the a/c will freeze you out on hot days.
When I bought it, the PO had just done all a/c parts (see below), new torque tube, new transmission, new suspension, new radiator, new timing belt, rebuilt water pump (see below), and more. The car drove beautifully when it arrived but the a/c didn't work and it was difficult to shift. Note these are BIG TICKET ITEMS that I didn't have to pay for. I just bought it that way.
I have done new brake rotors, brake lines, rebuilt calipers, new clutch master and slave cylinders and lines, replaced leaky a/c expansion valve, new shift ball cup, coupler and lever bushings, new clutch lever arm cup, fuel line sealing washers, repaired gas cap, new air filter and a bunch of other minor things. Oh yeah and bought new wheels.
...and it's in the garage now waiting for the time to install new tensioner, water pump, thermostat and seals, engine mounts, exhaust, ignition switch, and a few other incidental things. Once those are done I should have ALL the maintenance items completed...crap, did I just say that?
Buy a nice car. Buy David's car! And then enjoy playing around with it and doing the things you want. Either way you will spend money on it, but I promise you will enjoy the nice car a LOT more.
When I bought it, the PO had just done all a/c parts (see below), new torque tube, new transmission, new suspension, new radiator, new timing belt, rebuilt water pump (see below), and more. The car drove beautifully when it arrived but the a/c didn't work and it was difficult to shift. Note these are BIG TICKET ITEMS that I didn't have to pay for. I just bought it that way.
I have done new brake rotors, brake lines, rebuilt calipers, new clutch master and slave cylinders and lines, replaced leaky a/c expansion valve, new shift ball cup, coupler and lever bushings, new clutch lever arm cup, fuel line sealing washers, repaired gas cap, new air filter and a bunch of other minor things. Oh yeah and bought new wheels.
...and it's in the garage now waiting for the time to install new tensioner, water pump, thermostat and seals, engine mounts, exhaust, ignition switch, and a few other incidental things. Once those are done I should have ALL the maintenance items completed...crap, did I just say that?
Buy a nice car. Buy David's car! And then enjoy playing around with it and doing the things you want. Either way you will spend money on it, but I promise you will enjoy the nice car a LOT more.
10-14-2008, 02:44 PM
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Not to beat a dead horse, buy I took my own advice and spent to get a "turn key" 928. Even so, I'm looking at probably dropping some dough (other than stereo, wheel, light upgrades) as I think there's a vacuum leak causing occasional stalling and it needs some minor cosmetic work. Still happy with my choice, but I'm definitely glad I didn't get one of the "only needs a few things" cars that I considered. Almost all had a "quick fix" AC problem ("vacuum leak, probably needs an O ring") that PPIs predicted would about $1900 or so.
As another example, a local newbie 928 owner took delivery of his 89 S4 in July; it's been sitting at the local Euro garage ever since waiting to get serviced and brought up-to-date. He's chomping at the bit to get his car back, and is ready to flat-bed it out to either work on it himself or take it elsewhere. Funny how I got mine 6 weeks later than he did, yet I've been enjoying it all this time while he's chewing on his fingers.
As another example, a local newbie 928 owner took delivery of his 89 S4 in July; it's been sitting at the local Euro garage ever since waiting to get serviced and brought up-to-date. He's chomping at the bit to get his car back, and is ready to flat-bed it out to either work on it himself or take it elsewhere. Funny how I got mine 6 weeks later than he did, yet I've been enjoying it all this time while he's chewing on his fingers.
10-14-2008, 05:33 PM
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No but you can't count that anyway...it was not a repair... It was cost of purchase. Seriously I bet if I totaled up all of my receipts on all of my 928's (for repairs, not tires, or extra wheels, or fun stuff...BUT include new leather seat covers and their install) I bet I have not spent $12k yet... Getting close, but I doubt I am there yet. Same for the race car I have not had to "fix" anything on it yet, but the cost to build was VERY, VERY HIGH!
10-14-2008, 05:41 PM
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I have a nice street 928...& a race 928 (almost anyway)......as nice as a 928 is on the street.....its about 1000% more fun on a track!!
With that said my 928 is techinically still for sale....pending some repairs in the next couple weeks.....which will make her just about 100% perfect....
https://rennlist.com/forums/showthre...y+928+for+sale
10-14-2008, 05:54 PM
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My '91 has been virtually trouble free since I bought it 11 years and 60k+ miles ago. Other than upgrades and pure wear items - tires, pads, rotors (due to track time) etc. - I've spent a few thousand on repairs and scheduled maintenance....
Until last winter when it was time to replace all the rubber and plastic in the engine bay and to replace the tired pressure plate and associated. It's now time to pull the dash and replace the vacuum actuators and all the A/C o-rings..
James, there's a cherry-popping in the offing for you soon.
Until last winter when it was time to replace all the rubber and plastic in the engine bay and to replace the tired pressure plate and associated. It's now time to pull the dash and replace the vacuum actuators and all the A/C o-rings..
James, there's a cherry-popping in the offing for you soon.
10-14-2008, 06:44 PM
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Hi James:
I kind of have a hard time imagining that you can maintain 6 928s for 10+ years (OK, you haven't had all of them for that long) for less than $12k. Maybe if you don't drive them, never replace the tires, rubber, ignition wires, and other things that age or wear. But I doubt you can keep them in pefectly maintained, drivewable shape for that money, if you actually use them.
You may be in denial... LOL!!!
My car had been maintained by clueless Mercedes mechanics, who royally screwed-up the timing belt job. It also had been sitting for weeks at times, which might have been the reason for the leaks. And it had a lumpy idle problem that cost me a bundle to try and fix... in the end, a combination of Lubro Moly Ventilsauber and a Rislone treatment took care of this. So, some of the initial expense was avoidable, but much of it would have hit me sooner or later.
I kind of have a hard time imagining that you can maintain 6 928s for 10+ years (OK, you haven't had all of them for that long) for less than $12k. Maybe if you don't drive them, never replace the tires, rubber, ignition wires, and other things that age or wear. But I doubt you can keep them in pefectly maintained, drivewable shape for that money, if you actually use them.
You may be in denial... LOL!!!
My car had been maintained by clueless Mercedes mechanics, who royally screwed-up the timing belt job. It also had been sitting for weeks at times, which might have been the reason for the leaks. And it had a lumpy idle problem that cost me a bundle to try and fix... in the end, a combination of Lubro Moly Ventilsauber and a Rislone treatment took care of this. So, some of the initial expense was avoidable, but much of it would have hit me sooner or later.
10-14-2008, 08:31 PM
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I feel badly for David and Iceman. Here they have these cars that just about anyone on this board would buy if they were starting over again. Then noobies come along looking for the diamond in the rough and ignore the advice of the learned members. Their skin must crawl everytime these pleas for advice pop up and everyone's advice gets ignored. Hopefully someone with common sense will swallow up these cars.
10-14-2008, 08:35 PM
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Yep these car are expensive, if you want them to be right,
I got my Ivory Pearl car for about 8500.00 then spent about 24K more to do everything, thats pretty much just a cost for all the parts as i did all of the labor, The car now is tight and runs great and it should stay that way by being taken care of .
I got my Ivory Pearl car for about 8500.00 then spent about 24K more to do everything, thats pretty much just a cost for all the parts as i did all of the labor, The car now is tight and runs great and it should stay that way by being taken care of .