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View Poll Results: Where is the leak coming from?
Cam shaft seal/o-ring
16.67%
Cam cover gasket
47.22%
Both the cam shaft o-ring AND the cam cover gasket
13.89%
Somewhere else you bonehead (nominate your own theory)
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Where's the oil leak coming from? *pics*

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Old 07-17-2008, 08:46 AM
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Loctite 574 is the sealant to be used on the cam bridge. I paid $20 for a 50ml bottle last year at the Hershey, PA Porsche event.

I agree with Mrmerlin on using Yamabond. Last weekend we used Hondabond 4 on Mike Fyre's cam cover gaskets. From what I understand, Threebond makes Hondabond, Yamabond, etc. Hondabond 4 is the same as Threebond 1194 (lead-free) or 1104 (no longer available do to lead content).

FYI - Threebond/Hondabond/Yamabond can be found at your local motorcycle/ATV/waverunner store.
Old 07-17-2008, 09:05 AM
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Big Dave has a nice big tube of hondabond. So no worries there.

Big Dave, let us know when you're going to do this and we can come and help again.
Old 07-17-2008, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Mrmerlin
Agg try using Yamabond, I think it will seal better, silicones dont seem to like oil/fuel
Thanks! I'm on my way to the Yamaha dealer right now.
I was going for the black RTV because it says it's good for oil exposure use but I'll defer to your experience over product package marketing any day!
Old 07-17-2008, 12:51 PM
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Dave,

For the parts list, I'd get:

Cam cover gasket
Cam cover O-rings (9 small for bolt holes and 2 larger for the breathers, per side)
Also, get a set of the small washers that are part of the tech bulletin (thanks Bill Ball)
The update says 12 per engine, I used 12 per side (all bolts) to give the cam cover gasket that little extra pressure all around. Roger has them.

Old 07-17-2008, 04:37 PM
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How do you loosen number 37 and 38 in that parts diagram? I tried bending the tab that is locked into the nut but even with it disengaged from the nut it acted like it wasn't going to turn..
A special kind of wrench to get a grip on it or something?
Old 07-17-2008, 04:47 PM
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I used a big needle nose pliers to grab the nut and the stuck a big screw driver between the handles and gave her a twist.
Old 07-17-2008, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by aggravation
How do you loosen number 37 and 38 in that parts diagram? I tried bending the tab that is locked into the nut but even with it disengaged from the nut it acted like it wasn't going to turn..
A special kind of wrench to get a grip on it or something?
WITH THIS
Old 07-17-2008, 10:12 PM
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Cool!
Old 07-17-2008, 10:50 PM
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I too have had good luck with adding the sealing washers to all of the cam cover bolts, and the 574 loctite should be used to seal the cam caps first then the yamabond on the gasket and at the cam cap to head surface
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Had similar leak and stopped leak by fitting 0.70mm aluminium washers under cam cover securing bolts, between head and metal "O" ring cap to apply more compression on joint seal and "O" rings. IIRC, 26 washers required. They are displayed in PET.

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Old 07-19-2008, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Adam Geist
.... From what I understand, Threebond makes Hondabond, Yamabond, etc. Hondabond 4 is the same as Threebond 1194 (lead-free) or 1104 (no longer available do to lead content).
FYI - Threebond/Hondabond/Yamabond can be found at your local motorcycle/ATV/waverunner store.


http://www.threebond.co.jp/en/product/number/index.html
'Course, I couldn't find a "where to get it" link. So ... thanx, Adam.
Old 07-19-2008, 07:16 PM
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Hey Dave when are you going to get into this ? I would like to come by and see it all apart.
Old 07-30-2008, 06:42 PM
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UPDATE...well, 48% of you were wrong.

I replaced the cam cover gasket today (I HATE getting at the bottom cover bolts), drove it around the block and saw oil drips again.

I was going to reseal the cam bridge at the same time until I realized the belt and cam gears need to be off to remove the bridge. I get to pull off the cover (again) and then re-seal the bridge and replace the o-ring. I just ran out of time today.

Old 07-30-2008, 06:49 PM
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I said it was a pressurized seal, and I think I am right.
Old 12-21-2008, 04:39 PM
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I need to know how you fixed this, Big Dave!

Got something similar happening on an 86, and figure I need to go in deep.

Any pointers on this?


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