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Old 03-23-2008, 12:36 PM
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I think in this case the factory solution while relatively cheap - both looks cheap and also fails to stand up over time (just like the GTS intake tubes). I'd always choose a high quality alternative here.

But you need to get someting rated for heat like the aircraft foam type commonly installed.

You also need to research what glue to use. I did and thought I had good stuff with the 3M 90 - but it was useless - black car Phoenix heat - falls off fast. It eventually will elsewhere too...

The 3M 80 works well - no release here in Phoenix (2 years now) means it won't release anywhere...if installed well.

I have a large Vinyl Porsche Logo sticker on top of mine and it sticks well - self adhesive - I think its probably permanently bonded by now.

Tips:
1) Cut the foam oversize a little so you have some to tuck under the hood edges for a tight fit...
2) Do take the hood off
3) Mask the edges of the hood for when you spray the adhesive
4) Add masking tape to the top side of the foam and make some alignment marks on the pad and on the hood masking in the middle of all sides (at least).
5) Don't apply adhesive to the last 1/2" around the edges (the overside part so its still possible to adjust the edges (you can then still trim it to fit if needed...
6) Use some barrier materials on both sides & top & bottom between the pad & hood so you can align it and adhere the middle of the hood first so you can work outwards to the edges.
7) Do the Vinyl sticker after everything else has dried overnight

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Old 03-23-2008, 02:17 PM
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Cool, question answered. Thanks Rob and everyone else.
Old 03-23-2008, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob M Budd
Here's a link to the instructions for the liner and emblem that are on my website. A copy should have been included with the liner. If they are missing you can download them or let me know and I will email them.

The biggest mistake made on most installs is not removing the hood. It takes an extra 30-40 minutes to remove and install a 928 hood. It's well worth the time to get it right. Be sure to mark it for re-installation.

The adhesive to use is 3M # 80. Its a contact cement formula unlike most other spray adhesives. I used it on mine 3 years ago and have had no issues at all.
I also used 3M # 80 to install several dozen other liners on various makes and models at my shop. So far I've had no complaints. Its available at home depot.

The material itself is designed for airplane bulkheads and is approved for aircraft by the FAA. You will not find his material in most industrial supply houses. It's a closed cell structure and will hold up to oil, antifreeze, water, and mildew. It will not rot like the factory liner.

It can be mounted with the texture side facing out for a more factory type look or with the smooth side out.
The emblem decal which will mount only on the smooth side was an afterthought that just seemed to work well and look good. I've had no issues with it coming loose or shrinking. The adhesive on the decal is on only one side. It's made from high performance exterior vinyl designed for exterior applications.

My sincere thanks to the many Rennlisters that have chosen my hood liner.
If anyone has any issues with any of my liners, please let me know.

I have one of Rob's liners on my Euro. My dad has one on his as well.

it is a very good product, and easy to install. I didn't remove my hood, and didn't do any extravagant prep prior to installation.

just use a gasket scraper to remove the old liner, pressure wash off the remains, use 3M spray glue on both surfaces (liner and hood) and carefully press the liner into place.

the liner and decals have survived numerous pressure washings and a variety of cleaners (soaps).


And no Ryan, he didn't say anything about his car going the concours show route.

again Ryan---you're off topic.




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Old 03-23-2008, 04:44 PM
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I don't think anyone said that there was anything wrong with Rob's product. Mike needed assistance in understanding how fix the liner in place. Rob has provided the instructions and everything is good.
I have one of Rob's liners and the quality is excellent.
On my stock cars I prefer the factory liner which completes the stock look.
Very easy to fit and does not require removing the hood and most of the prep work.
Will last for 10 to 20 years and IMOO does not look cheap. Just my 5c

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Old 03-23-2008, 04:46 PM
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I've always wondered what the PM function might be good for. I'll add "ribbing other members" to my list. You might want to consider it too.
Old 03-24-2008, 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by dr bob
I haven't done the 928 hood, but have done several other similar projects. I'll share what I've learned from those, and relate them to the 928 hoodliner.

1) Plan to take the hood off so you can get the old material off. You'll want to prep a workspace that has carpet, and old blanket, maybe some foam blocks for support under the blanket. It takes two people to get the hood off safely, and two to put it back on. Advice from others is to unbolt the hinge from the car and leave them attached to the hood. This will reduce or eliminate the hood alignment normally needed on re-installation.

2) Wax the underside areas of the hoow where you don't want things to stick. Don't buff the haze off until your project is complete.

3) Get ALL the old foam bits off of the hood. Use a plastic scraper you can find at Home Depot, so you don't damage the paint on the hood. A shop vac is a big help for this step.

4) Remove as much of the old adhesive as you can. Paint thinner won't do much on any of the yellow adhesives, but may help with the factory stuff. By the time you get to a thinner that will get the yellow stuff off, you get to the point where the paint is softened too. Many have recommended Goof-Off for this, but I have no personal experience with that. I'd certainly try it. The yellow contact cement is generally pretty durable, so if you can't get it all off it's OK-- the new coat of adhesive will 'reactivate' the old a little bit.

5) Mask off the parts of the hood that you don't want glue on if you are using a spray adhesive. I use tape and masking paper that you can find in the paint department at H-D. I also have a dispenser stool that applies the tape to the paper so this is a really simple step in my garage. Newspaper might be OK for this, but it risks tearing if you happen to get it sticky and then drag the coated liner across it.

6) Dry fit the liner to the hood, fitting it so it isn't stretched to fit the opening. Do your trimming now. As others have suggested, use masking tape to make index match-marks on the liner and the hood to aid with getting the foam back in perfectly.

7) Follow the application directions on the adhesive can. The most important of these will be the tack time. Because the adhesive depends on evaporation to dry and set, you need almost all of that to happen before you put the liner against the hood surface.

8) Lay out wax paper to cover the opening in the hood, with ends of the pieces sticking past the opening. Double up the wax paper layer by cutting it long enough to go across the opening and then back, so you have a folded end on one side of the hood. Use little tape tabs to hold the paper in place.

9) Carefully place the liner in place on top of the wax paper, aligning it using the match marks you put there previously. Once you are comfortable with the location, starting in the middle, carefully pull on the wax paper, the hood face first, so it "unfolds" between the liner and the hood. As you withdraw the paper slowly a few inches at a time, carefully press the liner firmly to the hood surface without stretching it. Moving from the middle towards the ends of the hood, you'll be able to get good contact and adhesion without allowing any air pockets to form.

10) Allow the adhesive to set up for a day, undisturbed, before you reinstall the hood of the car. Be sure to remove the masking, buff of that wax you left on there, and take pictures of the process for others to learn from.


I like the industrial-strength adhesives that generally are not available to the consumer market. The 3M 77 and even the 90 spray adhesives have a tough time dealing with the combination of high underhood temps and the sun loading on my black car in SoCal summer. The Permatex headliner adhesive may be the best choice among commonly-available products. I have never used that myself though. I'm somewhat impressed that the original liner on my car is still intact after almost 20 years in that same environment. It is just a matter of time before it fails, however. I guess I'll be on the phone soon, looking for a factory replacement. This might be a good "clinic" project, since a few sets of hands at critical steps would make this go a lot smoother. Plus, I'd only have to clean out the spray gun once for two or three installs.
dr bob,
Nice writeup....THANKS! I replaced my hood liner last summer and pretty much did the same as you describe. However, I didn't use the wax paper trick or the marker trick with tape to get it aligned. As a result, I ended up with a small bubble in the very lower corner. I'll try the wax paper and marker tape when I redo the liner on the '84 or I have to replace the liner on another. THANKS!
Old 03-24-2008, 02:49 AM
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ICSMIKE , I want to apologise for the bad info , I was under the impression that you were installing a regular factory foam pad and not the Hi quality part offered by Rob Budd, I know that they have BTDT and know whats up, goodluck and once again sorry for the info i provided, Stan



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