wolf76

Adam-pm sent.
Mark- I do like the car but I think he wants too much for it. He has no service records but said he put $2000 into the fuel system. The timing belt/water pump are of unknown condition. He also recommended going through the brakes if I buy it. Are all Euro cars rated at 300HP or only the EuroS?

Hilton

Only the Euro S is the 300+ hp model.. with the 4.7L engine. The Euro 4.5L non-S 928 is basically the same as the US 4.5L.. uses K-jet instead of CIS, but only a marginal hp difference.

Get the VIN of the car - assuming the engine/block is original, that'll tell you which engine it is reliably.

largecar379

I disagree with "just get the vin number, assuming the motor is original."

as I, and others have said earlier, the engine block stamping number is the only sure way of knowing what block you have. casting numbers for the heads and intake tubes are other ways to check, but you still have to go back to step one , which is confirm the block stamping numbers. Cam numbers are only accessible by removing the cams from the cam towers (unlikely, but possible...)

Block stamping numbers as follows, both manual trans and slushboxes:

M28/09 and 10 are the 4.5L 229hp Euro's

M28/11 and 12 are the 4.7L 300hp Euro's


In 28 years since production, the complete engine may have been changed out for something else, as well as just the heads, cams, intakes, or throttle body, or any combination of these parts. nothing is certain unless you confirm the numbers yourself.

Should this car (the one you are looking at) be the one for you, and it needs parts (brakes as you wrote), I have parts for it.


Hope this helps in your quest.

--Russ

The_Remora

Only the Euro-S had the 300HP, the standard non-S cars had 229HP, only 9HP more than US cars of that time. (edit: I see these guys already beat me to the punch here)

Here is some other useful data from 928 Specialists website showing vehicle type, engine numbers and performance by year. An '80 5-speed would be either engine number M28/09 (non-S) or M28/11 (300HP S). If it is M28/13 then it is a U.S. motor. One way to determine if it is a Euro/ROW car is if the VIN starts with WPOZZZ, US cars do not have the ZZZ in the VIN.
Here's where to look for the Engine Code <--clickity click
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928 Engine Types & Performance Data

928 Model
Engine Size/Type HP (SAE) Torque ft/lbs (SAE) Comp. Ratio Fuel Injection System Top Speed MPH 0-62 mph (sec)
1/4 mile (sec) Weight (lbs)
77-79 - 3-auto (US) 4.5L-16v M28/04 219 245 8.5:1 K-Jetronic 140 8.5
16 3373
77-79 - 5-man (US) 4.5L-16v M28/03 219 245 8.5:1 K-Jetronic 143 7.5 15.5 3285
77-79 - 3-auto (Euro) 4.5L-16v M28/02 229 250 8.5:1 K-Jetronic 140 8 16 3197
77-79 - 5-man (Euro) 4.5L-16v M28/01 229 250 8.5:1 K-Jetronic 143 6.8 15.5 3197
80 - 3-auto (US) 4.5L-16v M28/14 220 265 9.0:1 L-Jetronic 140 8.5 16 3385

80 - 5-man (US) 4.5L-16v M28/13 220 265 9.0:1 L-Jetronic
143 7.5 15.5 3351

81-82 - 3-auto (US) 4.5L-16v M28/16 220 265 9.0:1 L-Jetronic 140 8.5 16 3385

81-82 - 5-man (US) 4.5L-16v M28/15 220 265 9.0:1 L-Jetronic
143 7.5 15.5 3351

80-82 - 3-auto (Euro) 4.5L-16v M28/10 229 271 10.0:1 K-Jetronic 140 7.7 16 3197
80-82 - 5-man (Euro) 4.5L-16v M28/09 229 271 10.0:1 K-Jetronic 143 7.2 15.5 3197
80-83 S - 3-auto (Euro) 4.7L-16v M28/12
300 263 10.0:1 K-Jetronic 152 7.2 15.5 3197
80-83 S - 5-man (Euro) 4.7L-16v M28/11
300 263 10.0:1 K-Jetronic 155 6.6 15.2 3197
83-84 S - 4-auto (US) 4.7L-16v M28/20
234 263 9.3:1 L-Jetronic 143 7.2 15.5
3385
83-84 S - 5-man (US) 4.7L-16v M28/19 234 263 9.3:1 L-Jetronic 146 6.8 15.2
3351

84-86 S - 4-auto (Euro) 4.7L-16v M28/22 310 295 10.4:1 LH-Jetronic 150 6.7 15.5 3308
84-86 S - 5-man (Euro) 4.7L-16v M28/21 310 295 10.4:1 LH-Jetronic 155 6.2 15.2 3308
85-86 S - 4-auto (US) 5.0L-32v M28/44 288 302 10.10:1 LH-Jetronic 152 6.8
14.9 3439
85-86 S - 5-man (US) 5.0L-32v M28/43 288 302 10.10:1 LH-Jetronic 155 6.3
14.2 3351
87-88 S4 - 4-auto (US) 5.0L-32v M28/42
316 317 10.0:1 LH-Jetronic 162 6.6 14.7 3550
87-88 S4 - 5-man (US) 5.0L-32v M28/41 316 317 10.0:1 LH-Jetronic 165 6.0 14.5 3505
87-88 S4 - 4-auto(Euro) 5.0L-32v M28/42 316 317 10.0:1 LH-Jetronic 165 6.3 14.5 3484
87-88 S4 - 5-man(Euro) 5.0L-32v M28/41 316 317 10.0:1 LH-Jetronic 168 5.9 14.2 3484
89 S4 5-man 5.0L-32v M28/41 316 317 10.0:1 LH-Jetronic 168 5.9 14.2 3505
89-91 S4 - 4-auto 5.0L-32v M28/42 316 317 10.0:1 LH-Jetronic 165 6.3 14.5 3550
89-91 GT 5-man 5.0L-32v M28/47 326 317 10.0:1 LH-Jetronic 171 5.8 14.1 3505
92-95 GTS - 5-man 5.4L-32v M28/49 345 369 10.4:1 LH-Jetronic 171 5.7 13.7 3593
92-95 GTS - 4-auto 5.4L-32v M28/50 345 369 10.4:1 LH-Jetronic 171 5.9 14.1 3593

6mil928

Great info Chris!

wolf76

Thanks Chris and everyone else for that matter. I have found a couple of others that I will be looking at as well. I'll keep you posted and hopefully I will remember my camera this time.

Chris