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BrettStrikes

Come on Charley......add something instead of stinking up the joint...I know you got it in ya...They are certainly not hurtful nor are my posts vacuous...but, I must say, if I was responsible for paying your two cents worth...based on your three posts...I would certainly call the cops and tell em I was robbed....

Charley B

I'm confident that your pitiful attempts to insult me can only stem from your having had your feelings hurt. That's not my intention, and again I apologise.

BrettStrikes

No insults kiddo..nor am I insulted.*big grin*..I am just waiting for some insight to the GTS....M5 debate....whatcha got man....I doubt your best is an OJ reference...trust me... I am trying to help you here...

IcemanG17

wow this sure got out of hand


How about this......Charley has a well running stock 5 speed GTS.....find someone around here with a well running stock M5....take them to a road course...let MK drive them both to make it even....& see where the chips fall.....

I vote for thunderhill........since there isn't that many walls.....I'll venture a guess that MK could pull off a 2:teen or so in the stock GTS.....maybe better

mark kibort

I think the saying is, "how 'bout them cowboys!" ('91).

Brett, the argument is about specs. specs are not absolute. I agree, the GTS would be less of a car if all you cared about was 0-60. Plus, personally, i would LOVE an M5 and would pick it in a heart beat over a GTS for a business car. If i never had to take more than 1 person, or went on a lot of very long trips, the GTS would be my choice.

you said that the m5 was more of a race car. false
you said that the m5 could handle and brake better. false. Just because someone couldnt run through a slalom course at the same speed, doent make it true. NOW, suddenly, weight doesnt matter????? OMG! tell me you are kidding. no, not even nascar using the weight as an in-rigger, could benefit.
maybe on a high banked circuit, and the weight is dropped in and out by helicoper, then mmmmmaybe. Now you are just plain making things up. weight as everything do to with handling and braking. and BECAUSE the 928 is pretty close to equally distributed, and actually slightly better in street car form to the M5, the weight would absolutely be detremental, by ANYONES standards to handling. (even with the smaller 225 and 255 sized tires. put the same 245 and 275s on the GTS and it would FAR exceed its handling capabilities. this would be true if you gutted the BMW M5 to 3000lbs as well . 500lbs is HUGE!! now, braking, that is really dependant on driver , tires, weight and conditions and little else.

and, yes, i could go on an on. you lost us at "run circles"! focus on its a bigger car with better low end acceleration. more comfortable for long trips, especially if you have more than 2 people, that it is a newer technology car, it has lots of nice things in it, like a more advanced stereo, etc. But, face the facts!! (and these are facts) no 500lb car, heavier than a GTS will beat it in handling. (we are talking mass produced street cars here) there is no secret sauce of the BMW to stop 15feet quicker unless you used the ABS, then that would be correct. the 928 ABS is not a better stopping tool vs a skilled foot, but the BMW ABS might be. What i can tell you, is Brembo 4 piston caliper big reds and the same set of tires, will stop whatever weight is attached to it, MUCH better than something that weighs 13% more. they dont care if the body is a audi, viper, vet , 928 or M6!!

lets just end it here: The NET NET:
The M5 has lower 1st gear and traction control to apply the same HP/weight ratio as the 928GTS so it goes 0-60mph better, but is near the same at most all other ranges of speeds. It has smaller brakes, but larger rotors, it weighs 500lbs more, but is a much bigger car and can fit 4 people very comfortably. the car drives like a dream, as does the GTS. they both get near the same gas mileage. They both cost near the same used right now in 2008. And, if you wanted to turn one into a race car, you are a fool, but the GTS would be a better choice as less would have to be done to it to make it race worthy.


There!

MK

Charley B

Are you kidding me??!! That was fricken brilliant. You must not have picked up on the finely nuanced irony of Ludicrous Statement meeting Ludicrous Statement.

BrettStrikes

Again...you...Mark...brought it to the track...not I...I never said It was a race car....for the money...the M5 is the better all around car....you would be nuts to pay the same money for a car that is inferior in just about every aspect...unless , for whatever reason, you love inferiority and are loyal to the whole aura of the 928...pay 30K for a GTS....but again..to the original post...to get rid of the GTS(smart man) and replace it with something German....the M5 is the car....hands down...nuff said...someone close this post would ya...I am starting to sound stupid like everyone else...and..again..Charley..thanks for the GTS..M5 insight....Are you so sure you are full of nuanced irony? Your posts point to you being full of ****.......but hey....thats only my two cents...*L*....

Charley B

Let's make it sporting, if Mark's driving both, I'll donate the '83 and put up a few bucks on the side. We don't want to be accused of sand bagging.

mark kibort

You are so far out in left field, it I dont know if we can bring you back home!

so, i guess IF what you say is true, by your same defence of the M5, then if your use for the M5 is to spend time on high banking, short tracks, it MIGHT be a better choice. in actuality, weight is still a huge factor here. G loading potential has everything to do about weight as does braking. extra weigth even if it is well distributed, adds to braking stopping distances .

that reminds me of a miata guy that was constantly racing in the back of the pack. he always ran a full tank (extra 100lbs) because he wanted to have his car handle better, as it would be perfectly balanced! toward the end of the season, i talked him into running just enough gas to make it to the end. guess what happened to his times? You bet, they dropped a second a lap!

Mk

Charley B

Well now you're starting to hurt my feelings. But I have to admit you stand a much better chance of proving this hypothesis than proving an M5 could run circles around a GTS.

mark kibort

The track was brought up to accurately compare the reality of the data you use to make the claim that the M5 is better in all performance aspects.
a race track comparison of a street car is a valid and most desirable test. 0-60 appeals to the out-of-touch, or for relative comparisons. Heck, there are some cars that tout faster numbers that a ferarri F40 , but are they better cars in all areas? no. again, those tests are for marketing and magazines. Take two cars and test at sears point and that really tells you what you got!! stock or race car!

the M5 can accelerate better to 40mph. after that, even by the data shown by road and track (speed segments times) they are the same. It doesn't take an Einstein to figure that one out. 0-60 you say, M5 4.7, 928 5.5. that is .8 seconds. 1/4mile M5 13.3 secs, while the GTS is 13.7. difference .4 seconds. SO, the GTS is actually better from 60 -110 mph.

Second, it doesnt and cant handle better, as it weighs 500lbs more

Third, it can stop better, as its brakes are much smaller, and the car is 500lbs heavier.

now, if you want to talk personal preference, then fine. If you like big boats better than smaller lower sports cars, the M5 wins. personally, i like the real big boats on the street, like chevy tahoes. and on the race track..... you got it.

mk

BrettStrikes

again...for the last time...I never said it was a race car...(where the furk did that come from)...Mark..what you describe is true...but not when comparing the 928 to the M5...go back to the original post....the M5 is the best bang for the buck...everyday driver for the money...hands down...don't be so literal with the circles thing....the M5 would put more smiles on anyones face everyday than a GTS could ever hope of doing...again...hands down...circles to me just means superior in every aspect...not one spec or review anywhere...whether it be Car and Driver...European Auto....Road and Track...and even Motor Trend...would find any of the bench mark tests that the industry uses for performance...finding in the GTS's favor...not one..if there is one test that is utilized in any of these magazines for performance that finds the M5 inferior...show me...I beg of you...just one...not even two...and again..get real man..Sears Point specs are not reality for 99% of us here....

mcholdfast

So are you sure you're not interested in a 2001.5 Audi S4?

Kevin in Atlanta

Pretty sure.