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Old 01-06-2008, 09:10 AM
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Anthony's suggestion is very good. My headgasket problem first surfaced for me by the milky residue in the oil separator. I'd look very closely at the thermostat housing where it attaches to the head. If its weeping it would probably run down the mating surface between the block and head. If you have had a head milled the alignment might be less than perfect or given how difficult they bolts are to get to just might need a snugging.
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here's no shame in using BarsLeaks or similar.
+1
Old 01-06-2008, 11:53 AM
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Also make sure your heater valve fitting is not leaking down onto the head - maybe this is as simple as a loose hose clamp. Any fluid in the valley? Have you observed any leaks at idle in driveway?
Old 01-06-2008, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by FBIII
Anthony's suggestion is very good. My headgasket problem first surfaced for me by the milky residue in the oil separator. I'd look very closely at the thermostat housing where it attaches to the head. If its weeping it would probably run down the mating surface between the block and head. If you have had a head milled the alignment might be less than perfect or given how difficult they bolts are to get to just might need a snugging.
yep, this could also be the cause of your coolant leak.

mill the heads too much and the water crossover won't fit properly. you'd have to mill the crossover as well for a correct fit.

--Russ
Old 01-06-2008, 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Anthony Tate
Just a thought, but did you open the oil separator and check the strainer for that tell tale white creamy stuff? It will take quite a bit of coolant to eventually show up in the exhaust, but if you have moisture it will start collecting on the strainer in short order. This was the first place it showed up in mine. It never did show on the dipstick on the 79.
I have always been told this is actually normal in the strainer. the highest point of the engine, so when it heats up this is where all the steam goes and it takes very little to make a mess of the strainer. As in even just some condensation
Old 01-06-2008, 11:29 PM
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I've owned the 79 for 6 years and the only time I've seen any there it was when I had a headgasket leak. But, I'm not saying it ain't possible!
Old 01-07-2008, 04:46 AM
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I have always been told this is actually normal in the strainer. 
the highest point of the engine
Or inside the cap; only normal for vehicles that do not get much use & relatively short runs.
Clean it up & go for a good run of say 100 miles, this should dry it out & then any resulting creamy effect is from coolant in the oil.
Of course a long run may not be advisable if you do have a head gasket leak.

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Originally Posted by PorKen
There's no shame in using BarsLeaks or similar.
Since Jon already did it, I have to say "+2" for Bars. Shortly after I got my '85 I did a compression test on the engine and came up somewhat low on one cylinder. Someone at 928 International told me that if the gauge reads 100 then it's at least partially doing its job and to not worry about it because if I pulled the engine to replace a head gasket, I'd end up rebuilding it and **** away a lot of money. So I dumped in some stop leak and have forgotten about it. 8000 miles later there are no problems.
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Originally Posted by largecar379
yep, this could also be the cause of your coolant leak.

mill the heads too much and the water crossover won't fit properly. you'd have to mill the crossover as well for a correct fit.

--Russ
+1 here as well. This is even mentioned in the service manual. I believe I had mentioned it last year when you started doing this project. This is definitely worth investigating before you disassemble your engine again.
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Originally Posted by JHowell37
+1 here as well. This is even mentioned in the service manual. I believe I had mentioned it last year when you started doing this project. This is definitely worth investigating before you disassemble your engine again.
this is commonly missed by those who don't realize that when the heads are milled on 928 V8, the h2o crossover must be milled as well.

same goes for domestic V8's (intake manifold),

better solution is to angle mill the heads.

--Russ
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Originally Posted by largecar379
this is commonly missed by those who don't realize that when the heads are milled on 928 V8, the h2o crossover must be milled as well.

same goes for domestic V8's (intake manifold),

better solution is to angle mill the heads.

--Russ
Lots of food for thought. If its a problem in gap tollerance between the cross over and the heads, would Bars Leak be a good candidate to fix this? Its a lower pressure area than between the block and head...correct?

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Old 01-09-2008, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by largecar379
yep, this could also be the cause of your coolant leak.

mill the heads too much and the water crossover won't fit properly. you'd have to mill the crossover as well for a correct fit.

--Russ


Yikes, so can you still re-surface just one head, but just make sure to also re-surface the crossover? Correct? Head gaskets for these engines are pricey, would be nice to be able to do just the affected one.
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A slight milling of the head doesn't require the cross over milled. You can just use the thicker head gasket.
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would Bars Leak be a good candidate to fix this?
Gamble a couple of bucks & try it.
What can you lose?

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would Bars Leak be a good candidate to fix this?
Gamble a couple of bucks & try it.
What can you lose?

Marton
I recommend the slimy black version over the powder. I haven't tried the copper one. I also haven't tried it in a 928, but I've used it with good results in SAABs (heater cores), Volvos (radiator, heater core, head gasket) and Fords (both head gaskets on a newly rebuilt 302).


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