trucker_hat

Anyone in the US consider this ignition system in preference to say Supercharging or Turbocharging? They claim increase in Horsepower as well as increase in fuel economy.

A Jeep owner claims idle is 400rpm lower and is getting more power plus 43% increase in fuel economy.

http://www.plasmatronicsllc.com/

NickT

hmmmm crappy web site... Really doesn't say much about what it is, other than the animation.

69gaugeman

Only need enough spark to ignite the air fuel mixture. Our cars have a very good system that does that just fine. Snake oil.

AO

Copper plugs here... I agree it's snake oil

fabric

They probably don't make an application for the 928. If you really want to try something different, you can try these:

www.pulstarplug.com


Be forewarned - some people have had trouble just switching to the bosch +4s on 928s, although that may not be strictly a spark plug issue.

I'm curious though for the quick dismissal. Aren't engineers always looking to make a more efficient engine by increasing combustion efficiency? I'm guessing the answer has something to do with the fact that once some of the mixture is ignited, the complete process has more to do with other factors than how "big" of a spark you can make. That directly affects emissions too. As for fuel economy, doesn't any unburned fuel currently get exhausted out anyway? And would a fuel injection system adjust the amount of fuel injected based on this anyway? I guess that's where this plasma system may do some monitoring?

If you couldn't tell, I"m fairly ignorant of this stuff, so I appreciate any follow-up (and likely correction ) on my analysis.

Mike Simard

Hot ticket magical performance items are usually somehow presented by new users with only a few posts.
Let me break from that tradition and introduce the greatest source of parts on Earth. Take that copper ionizing bracelet off and behold:

http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main...c5c387f4f2ceed

worf928

Awesome site Mike.

I'm gonna get me a set of these as my OEM versions are old and a bit worse for the wear. Besides, I only have two, and it looks like you get three when you order from these guys!

bronto

I like the google ad for 20 ft exhaust flamethrowers

dr bob

There have been more than a couple super-whamadyne ignition systems offered over the years, utilizing the theory of pre-charging the mixture before ignition. I'm sure they work great at zero RPM's for the area within the spare plug nose. As soon as you introduce turbulence to the chamber, your charged particles dissipate and any possible benefit is lost. Face it-- the surface area at the tip of the plug is rather small, so only a serious inductive field can focus the energy needed to get particles charged there anyway. So now the plug looks like a coil sitting on top of a spark plug, with the coil partially charged prior to ignition. At the moment of ignition, the charged coil works against the spark energy traveling down through the center, so you need to reverse the field on the charged coil at the moment of spark. Really just prior to that moment so the magnetic field is completely collapsed so it doesn't interfere with the spark energy. What we really need to do is introduce the particle charge into the fuel and air before it goes into the chamber, so it's completely and evenly charged. At the same time, a coil in the piston is used to stabilize and locate the charged air and fuel directly in the center of the piston top. At varying RPM's and loads, especially light loads, you could reduce the charge on the air coming in, and have a slightly richer mixture right in the center of the piston top, directly under the plug. The flame front would start slow in the middle where the mixture is richer, and speed up at the edges in the leaner zones, as the piston speeds up on the downstroke. Any unburned fuel in the center would be pushed out to the edges for even more total energy available as the flame front reaches the cylinder walls. A fringe benefit would be a tremendous improvement in net thermal efficiency, since the charge and the flame would be centered away from the cylinder walls by the magnetic field from the piston coils. All that extra thermal energy would be focused on pushing the piston down rather than wasted heating the cylinder walls.

I think I can sell this stuff on Saturday morning info-mercial TV. First call here for venture capital investors. Get in on the ground floor! Hope we get bought out by Big Oil so they don't lose 35% of their market with this invention!

mark kibort

air filter companies also claim better gas mileage!!!

Even the Government is IN ON IT!!!! The EPA says that keeping you air fliter clean will save up to 10% gas, and this is utter BS!!

There is so much snake oil out there, its not even funny!

43% increase on fuel economy for better ignition of the fuel and air mixture? Kind of a joke!
modern cars run at freeway loads a little leaner than near Stoich average, and this is near the best fuel efficiency you can . the spark just fires off the mixture. it either ignites or it doesnt. a more complete burn is more of a function of the intake system, along with head design and compression ratios.

Back to the air filter companies claims, i did a long distance MPG test of my BMW with a diaper stuffed in the intake. it was kind of funny. the car couldnt go faster than 65mph!! (almost fully floored!!) after 200miles, i got 27mph. on the return trip with a free flowing air filter, (and no diaper) 26mpg.
The reason here is that with a clogged air filter, you dont have the power for quick accelerations on long drives, kind of like a buffer or power cusion.


mk
automotive myth buster

worf928

I think your concept would be greatly simplified by the use of magnetic monopoles. I have a nifty design for a monopole generator. I just need a few investors...

Imo000

Does anyone remember the guy from about 2 years ago that came here and was trying to do argue about some supper high efficient spark plugs/ignition systems and such? At the end people figured out the BS and that’s when it got ugly and eventually he got banned. This was before Danglerb!

Maybe it's him again!

dr bob

That whole monopolar magnet business is repulsive. Remember, we're trying to attract investors.

worf928

Well, just FLUX OFF then...

AO

These claims they make are almost as good as those made by eletric supercharging your car.