Plasmatronics Plasma Direct Ignition?
12-13-2007, 05:46 PM
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It is interesting that the Pulstar plugs attracted investment and made it to market unlike the simpler Firestorm plugs.
KLG sparkplugs (three prong) work rather well in my S4 auto. Made in the EU. No resistor in the plug. Does 0-62MPH in 6.0 secs flat (also removed bottom MAF screen).
12-14-2007, 12:10 AM
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Hi 
Just out of interest, when I bought my S2 , it had just had a set of Bosch Quad electrode plugs fitted...and it ran like a dog....I knew it was missing and assumed it was the fairly old dizzy caps and arms....changed them for new ones ..no difference....pulled out the new Bosch 4`s and replaced with a set of NGK BP6ES and instant perfect running...
Not heard of anyone with the Bosch 4`s , that was happy with them..unless anyone knows different??
All the best Brett
928 S2 AUTO V8 4.7 LTR 1986 IRIS METALLIC BLUE WITH X-PIPES ,RMB ,PROMAX CHIPS,
KICKDOWN SWITCH - K&N FILTER - WIZARDS OF NOS - NITROUS KIT 150 HP - 505 HP/500 FT LBS TORQUE -
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Just out of interest, when I bought my S2 , it had just had a set of Bosch Quad electrode plugs fitted...and it ran like a dog....I knew it was missing and assumed it was the fairly old dizzy caps and arms....changed them for new ones ..no difference....pulled out the new Bosch 4`s and replaced with a set of NGK BP6ES and instant perfect running...
Not heard of anyone with the Bosch 4`s , that was happy with them..unless anyone knows different??
All the best Brett
928 S2 AUTO V8 4.7 LTR 1986 IRIS METALLIC BLUE WITH X-PIPES ,RMB ,PROMAX CHIPS,
KICKDOWN SWITCH - K&N FILTER - WIZARDS OF NOS - NITROUS KIT 150 HP - 505 HP/500 FT LBS TORQUE -
PCGB UK 928 FORUM MODERATOR - Email managingdirector@pchealthcare.co.uk
12-14-2007, 10:55 PM
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Try the Bosch copper resistor plugs, or change to the NGK BPR6ES, the same plug you have plus the resistor. It may or may not make a difference in the way it seems to run, but may be easier on your radio reception.
12-14-2007, 11:08 PM
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Umm...Iceland has some vehicles running on water...But they are prototypes.
Expectations are important. A slightly improved igntion isn't going to suddenly deliver a bounty of HP and torque. But upgrading my sotck 6V ignition (with resistors) to a 12V system wtih multiple spark did produce some 'nice' results like improved cold starts and smoother idle. That's on my Euro. On my former '85, it came (to me) with dual Jacobs units installed...and that was an angry car...but I'm sure that a computer chip or some creative cam timing contributed to that car's curve.
Expectations are important. A slightly improved igntion isn't going to suddenly deliver a bounty of HP and torque. But upgrading my sotck 6V ignition (with resistors) to a 12V system wtih multiple spark did produce some 'nice' results like improved cold starts and smoother idle. That's on my Euro. On my former '85, it came (to me) with dual Jacobs units installed...and that was an angry car...but I'm sure that a computer chip or some creative cam timing contributed to that car's curve.
12-15-2007, 12:23 AM
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Mark, try your test with a older carb car with the open bowl vents and get back to us on this. That bitch will run so rich it will burn your eyes. 
But you are right most injected cars that are in good shape it makes no difference at all, just loss of HP with a dirty air filter.
Some older american V8's with a weak stock ignition will get better MPG with a updated ignition, but when was the last time you have seen a set of points?
It has been many years since I had my old Snap-On dwell meter out, not even sure I still have it or not.
But you are right most injected cars that are in good shape it makes no difference at all, just loss of HP with a dirty air filter.
Some older american V8's with a weak stock ignition will get better MPG with a updated ignition, but when was the last time you have seen a set of points?
It has been many years since I had my old Snap-On dwell meter out, not even sure I still have it or not.
air filter companies also claim better gas mileage!!!
Even the Government is IN ON IT!!!! The EPA says that keeping you air fliter clean will save up to 10% gas, and this is utter BS!!
There is so much snake oil out there, its not even funny!
43% increase on fuel economy for better ignition of the fuel and air mixture? Kind of a joke!
modern cars run at freeway loads a little leaner than near Stoich average, and this is near the best fuel efficiency you can . the spark just fires off the mixture. it either ignites or it doesnt. a more complete burn is more of a function of the intake system, along with head design and compression ratios.
Back to the air filter companies claims, i did a long distance MPG test of my BMW with a diaper stuffed in the intake. it was kind of funny. the car couldnt go faster than 65mph!! (almost fully floored!!) after 200miles, i got 27mph. on the return trip with a free flowing air filter, (and no diaper) 26mpg.
The reason here is that with a clogged air filter, you dont have the power for quick accelerations on long drives, kind of like a buffer or power cusion.
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Even the Government is IN ON IT!!!! The EPA says that keeping you air fliter clean will save up to 10% gas, and this is utter BS!!
There is so much snake oil out there, its not even funny!
43% increase on fuel economy for better ignition of the fuel and air mixture? Kind of a joke!
modern cars run at freeway loads a little leaner than near Stoich average, and this is near the best fuel efficiency you can . the spark just fires off the mixture. it either ignites or it doesnt. a more complete burn is more of a function of the intake system, along with head design and compression ratios.
Back to the air filter companies claims, i did a long distance MPG test of my BMW with a diaper stuffed in the intake. it was kind of funny. the car couldnt go faster than 65mph!! (almost fully floored!!) after 200miles, i got 27mph. on the return trip with a free flowing air filter, (and no diaper) 26mpg.
The reason here is that with a clogged air filter, you dont have the power for quick accelerations on long drives, kind of like a buffer or power cusion.
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12-15-2007, 02:30 AM
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From: "Plasmatronics, LLC" <info@plasmatronicsllc.com>
Re: Cost of PDI system?
Hi,
We do not have the PDI available yet for those cars, right now we are concentrating on fleet vehicles. I expect in about a year we will have specialized Porsche PDI product available.
I am well aware of Krupa and his Firestorm spark plugs. We are getting the same increases of HP and fuel economy without changing the FA ratio. Optimizing OBD II trim and combining the two technologies cab achieve even better results. We have been waiting for Krupa to deliver us usable
samples for about two years now and still have none.
Best regards,
Lonnie
> Hi Plasmatronics,
>
> I'm wondering what the cost of the Plasma Direct Ignition system is? This
> is for a Porsche 968 (4 cyclinder) and Porsche 928 S4 (8 cyclinder)? Please
> quote price for the unit, installation, etc.
>
> Does the car require a retune of the Air-Fuel ratios via the ECU maps to
> maximise the use of the PDI system?
>
> Do you also know anything about Firestorm sparkplugs (also rumored to
> be plasma ignition, though only require a sparkplug change)?
Re: Cost of PDI system?
Hi,
We do not have the PDI available yet for those cars, right now we are concentrating on fleet vehicles. I expect in about a year we will have specialized Porsche PDI product available.
I am well aware of Krupa and his Firestorm spark plugs. We are getting the same increases of HP and fuel economy without changing the FA ratio. Optimizing OBD II trim and combining the two technologies cab achieve even better results. We have been waiting for Krupa to deliver us usable
samples for about two years now and still have none.
Best regards,
Lonnie
> Hi Plasmatronics,
>
> I'm wondering what the cost of the Plasma Direct Ignition system is? This
> is for a Porsche 968 (4 cyclinder) and Porsche 928 S4 (8 cyclinder)? Please
> quote price for the unit, installation, etc.
>
> Does the car require a retune of the Air-Fuel ratios via the ECU maps to
> maximise the use of the PDI system?
>
> Do you also know anything about Firestorm sparkplugs (also rumored to
> be plasma ignition, though only require a sparkplug change)?
12-17-2007, 04:24 AM
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12-17-2007, 04:35 AM
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Krupa, who makes Firestorm plugs claims 40% decreased fuel economy, with 40% increase in horsepower. Plasmatronics is claiming similar results. There is definitely a difference in plugs, as they outline: http://www.plasmatronicsllc.com/spark.pdf
I was thinking of turbocharging the 968, though I'll wait till these plugs get released.
968: 240HP + 40%= 336HP.
928S4: 316HP + 40%= 442HP.
Both would be VERY sweet ride.
I was thinking of turbocharging the 968, though I'll wait till these plugs get released.
968: 240HP + 40%= 336HP.
928S4: 316HP + 40%= 442HP.
Both would be VERY sweet ride.
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Krupa, who makes Firestorm plugs claims 40% decreased fuel economy, with 40% increase in horsepower. Plasmatronics is claiming similar results. There is definitely a difference in plugs, as they outline: http://www.plasmatronicsllc.com/spark.pdf
I can't remember who said it, it might have been in this very forum:
If this stuff works so good, wouldn't Toyota have bought them and put it on their cars? Or more likely, already invented it?
I would be cautiously skeptical of 10-15% improvements in either. 40%? I'll wait to see the dyno.
12-17-2007, 09:11 AM
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Not heard of anyone with the Bosch 4`s , that was happy with them..unless anyone knows different??
I curently use those in my wifes car, and they are great ! I`d say they lower the fuel consumption aprox.15% in that car. I`ve used them in an Audi S4 2.2T and they worked great in that one also.
Brett ! I think the ones you had in your S2 was the wrong type
I curently use those in my wifes car, and they are great ! I`d say they lower the fuel consumption aprox.15% in that car. I`ve used them in an Audi S4 2.2T and they worked great in that one also.
Brett ! I think the ones you had in your S2 was the wrong type