Chuck Z

Russ, I wouldn't use a carrier who would chain down a 928. Intercity, Exotic Car Transport and Thomas C. Sunday all use straps over the center of the tire. I'm not talking about the kind of straps that get looped through the wheels (I wouldn't let anyone tie my car down like that either), these go over the tire front to back (or back to front...) and are ratched down tight. I have shipped ~ 15 cars over the years and with the exception of VIP all used the straps over the tires. In my opinion the best/only way to do it.

largecar379

I'm quite well aware of what you're talking about...having been in the biz for over 2 decades, not that it matters.

I've seen some guys do some weird stuff hauling cars......

By the way Chuck.....my car is on your registry and doesn't have the correct info on it.

Euro #1077

not a Euro "S". In have no idea who put that on there (many of the PO's had no idea what they had regarding this one), but you can use the info on my sig to update your files.

Thanks--Russ

Chuck Z

Hauling a car and strapping it down in this manner is weird? How? Why?

largecar379

easy, Chuck, you're taking my comments a little too seriously-----

yes, most of the carriers these days have found themselves using straps due to some issues with tying down--some cars don't tie down with the normal hook ups you see under cars these days......

and the car hauling trailers are becoming more (collector car) friendly.....the big name carriers are all lift gate equipped, just like the one you have pictured.
with this trailer, it's difficult to winch tie a car due to not being able to easily get under the car, even though there is access for that.....therefore, "over wheel strapping".

the only issue with strapping over the tires is that the car will move, due to suspension movement----even with air ride trailers. if you tie to the frame, there is less movement, less potential for damage. in fact, you have the potential for alignments being pulled out of whack when tying to the wheels/tires. That's why you see new car carriers using "chain winches" from car frame tie downs to the trailer.....

remember Chuck, I pulled everything from cars to windmill towers to tigers and elephants (yes, that's no B.S.), so I kind of have first hand knowledge of what moves and what doesn't-----I've even hauled armoured Suburbans (for the State Department and the King of Kuwait) in a 48' furniture van, with no tie downs at all---without a scratch.

aside from that, it's no big deal, just a matter of money and scheduling, enclosed or open.

I was saying to Daymon, that I might be in the neighborhood (roadtrip) with my dually, and be able to haul his car home for him.....

just trying to help out-

--Russ

Daymon66

LARGECAR379,
PM answered and thank you for even offering man. that is what i call brotherhood.
i GOT GAS.

if done properly with care and concern i'm sure all are good ways to tie-down. i think the problem is when you get a monkey without care bangin' away on your baby. (that sounds kinda porno)
i would rather pay a fellow 9'er owner to haul than a shipping company that has no interest in it aside from cash.

thanks again for all the advice and things to look out for. i like it here.

Daymon

largecar379

Daymon--

reply sent via PM's

--thanks--Russ

Chuck Z

I'm not taking anything to serious...... I'm not trying to be antagonistic either but have to call BS. Where exactly do you chain down a 928? There is no frame to tie it down. So... you tie it down by the suspension? No way! Besides, if you strap the wheels/tires there is not enough suspension travel left to damage a 928 unless you are up against the trailer ceiling in which case its probably already damaged. I'd rather align a 928 (I've never had to align any car after transporting them in this manner) than replace bent/broken suspension parts of trashed CV joints. Not trying to impune you expertise but, these guys that haul cars for a living I would think know what they are doing. Intercity hauled all of the Porsche CGTs and I bet they didn't chain a single one of them down.

BTW, Porsche put out a TSB on transporting a 928 showing the tie down points that allowed the suspension to freely travel up and down.

Daymon66

? okay now i'm lost. i realize there is no frame under these cars but they get hauled and towed on a daily basis. i'm sure their has to be a safe method. where would i find the tech bulletin at?
and i do appreciate all the advice. wasn't trying to start a pissn' contest just needed advice.

shmark

FWIW this is also how DeMoise ties the cars down, nylon straps over the tires. I wouldn't do it any other way. And according to Bill DeMoise, they have a contract with Porsche North America to transport their cars from the docks to the dealers. That counted for something in my book. I'm with Chuck, straps over the tires is the only way to go.

Now on my race car I used straps tied to the rear trailing arms and front control arms, but they were steel and I only used the beefy sections. I wouldn't do this with aluminum suspension components.

Chuck Z

I don't really want to get in to a p***n' match either but I feel really strongly about not chaining down a 928. Over the last 15 years I have had ALL of my 7 928s shipped or trailered them myself at some point. I had a copy of the TSB but gave to the buyer of my GTS. I will go out tomorrow and take a picture of the rear tie down points on the frog. I have used these rear tie downs and then strapped the front end down using the tow hook because most small trailers aren't equipped with the tire strap down rails.

Jim bailey - 928 International

OK "then strapped the front end down using the tow hook" you mean the two front suspension "protective brackets" 928 341 064 or the alloy toe eye ??

blitz928

I shipped a 928 from Michigan to Florida for about $600, The plane ticket one way was about $900+of course fuel and cost of your time. If I wasn't hauling a trailer already I would have rented a Penske hauler and Hauled it myself.

Anyway AAA Transport is who I used, No problems, But make sure that the driver has planks or ramps that allow for the low ride height of our cars when loading and unloading. When I was there to unload the car their was literally only a 1/4 inch of clearance at the bottom of the from chin spoiler when backing the car off the ramps.

As for strapping they used chock blocks and over the wheel strapping.

Daymon66

thank all you guys. i respect and appreciate the passion.

Marine Blue

Not to get start this all over again but would placing the nylon straps through the wheels cause harm to the suspension? I remember on a previous car of mine (MB) the shipper used nylon straps through the wheels (After he placed protective towels between the strap and the wheel) when the car was shipped. No damage to the wheel or suspension from what I could tell.

largecar379

Hey Chuck,

I certainly didn't want to get into a pissin' contest either, but after 27 years of hauling everything under the sun, INCLUDING Porsches of various varieties......I might know a thing or two about what to use and where to hook it to.

As you said...it's your opinion and my experience. Who's BS'n who?

Which of those two matters the most when you hire someone to haul your collector car 3000 miles across country?

If your car shows up with no damage, no alignment issues, in the same condition that it was originally loaded in, who gives a damn how it's tied down? It is the trucker's responsibility to transport your "freight" both legally, without damage, and meet a reasonable pick up and delivery schedule.

You are paying for my expertese in this situation......not your opinion.

Until then, haul it yourself if you don't want my experience and 27 year safe record of on-time, safe delivery of "what ever".

All I'm trying to do is help the guy out......showing the same white glove care I give all my customers, whether I'm hauling a 200,000lbs wind tower generator, or a very rare White Tiger.......and believe me, a white tiger with a bloody nose is not something you want explain.....

and yes, there are two protection plates on the front to hook "anything" to. after that, it's game on to try to come up with a way to secure the back end, which I have done without strapping tires......

Had you been at 3rd Coast Gathering (when I was there), you could have seen first hand how I tied my Euro to my car trailer. You may not have agreed to the way I do it, but I can assure you---it doesn't move while in transit, and it doesn't affect the alignments on both front and rear. The same principles apply to my heavy haul trucking operation.

I don't tell my paint/body guy who to fix the body work and paint on my car, and he doesn't tell me how to haul elephants......

We all have experiences in the careers that we do.....sometimes folks should just back off and let the guy do the job that he's good at doing.....it is what you pay your hard earned money for, isn't it?

Enough of this.

---Russ