Crank/Rods are RED...Intake refurb.
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Crank/Rods are RED...Intake refurb.
Odd, and not expected.
I got home today and decided that since I had a 3 day weekend that it was time to do the intake on the '88. She ran great, but had a bit of oil smoke due to breather hoses being 20 years old. Same old story, take it apart, see all of the while you are at it's.......
I get to taking off the oil spout and look in and see the internals (don't think they have seen sun since 1987) and it all looks red. Red splotches/stains over all of the internals. Crank, rods, bolts, all have red on them.
Normal? Or did the PO use ATF at one time?
I got home today and decided that since I had a 3 day weekend that it was time to do the intake on the '88. She ran great, but had a bit of oil smoke due to breather hoses being 20 years old. Same old story, take it apart, see all of the while you are at it's.......
I get to taking off the oil spout and look in and see the internals (don't think they have seen sun since 1987) and it all looks red. Red splotches/stains over all of the internals. Crank, rods, bolts, all have red on them.
Normal? Or did the PO use ATF at one time?
Last edited by SeanR; 11-24-2007 at 02:26 AM.
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I'm sure the feeling is not just mine.
Angela helped me pull the intake and told me to go pick up a cherry picker and just pull the motor. I do love the woman, she knows what I will eventually do. I don't want to pull the motor this month.
I'd have a lot of great pictures, but all of her camera equipment is at her moms house. I have my lil camera but no way of transferring them to the comp.
Angela helped me pull the intake and told me to go pick up a cherry picker and just pull the motor. I do love the woman, she knows what I will eventually do. I don't want to pull the motor this month.
I'd have a lot of great pictures, but all of her camera equipment is at her moms house. I have my lil camera but no way of transferring them to the comp.
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Roger, I'll swing by sometime in the late morning. Ang and I have to run to Lowes so we will go to the one by your house.
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since your in there you should replace the following parts.
Oil fill O ring unless the housing is warped then the whole part.
both knock sensors, the crank position sensor, the throttle position sensor and adjust it, the hall sensor on the back of the right side cam housing behind the cam gear, the flappy vacuum pot and adjust it, since the injectors are out now might be a good time consider a new set of 4 hole injectors, plus check the fuel pressure regulator, and fuel pressure dampers, also idle control valve, new fuel lines all 4, pluss evey gasket to include the side covers on the intake, new plugs, wires, caps and rotors, thats all i can think of for now. Ahh how about refinishing the intake and both of the cam covers, then you will need new cam cover gaskets and consider replaceing the cam chain tensioner pads. On and on and on
Oil fill O ring unless the housing is warped then the whole part.
both knock sensors, the crank position sensor, the throttle position sensor and adjust it, the hall sensor on the back of the right side cam housing behind the cam gear, the flappy vacuum pot and adjust it, since the injectors are out now might be a good time consider a new set of 4 hole injectors, plus check the fuel pressure regulator, and fuel pressure dampers, also idle control valve, new fuel lines all 4, pluss evey gasket to include the side covers on the intake, new plugs, wires, caps and rotors, thats all i can think of for now. Ahh how about refinishing the intake and both of the cam covers, then you will need new cam cover gaskets and consider replaceing the cam chain tensioner pads. On and on and on
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Oh, note to the general public: When you replace the fuel injectors, be sure to look into the injector ports. After 20+ years of service, the surface inside the injector ports is not a pretty sight and probably inhospitable for new injector o-rings. Be sure to clean these areas out thoroughly prior to injector installation.
Mike
Mike
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usually the intake is refreshed/IE refinished at this time so the injector seats are refinished as well. And new intake manifold gaskets are used.
Great catch on the parts from HDepot
Great catch on the parts from HDepot
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I've collected from Roger all of the hoses (damn there are a lot) 2 knock sensors and all the gaskets that I need for the intake only. I'll do the cam covers and those assorted gaskets in a couple of months time. I didn't do anything yesterday except pick up the parts due to family in town but I think it is time to run out to the garage, fire up a heater and get to work.
The injectors are going to Witch Hunter on Monday and when those come back I think I will have it finished off this next weekend. Not in time for our monthly gathering, but maybe after that.
One thing I did that has me a bit worried, on the drivers rear head, where the last intake nut goes I had to remove one bolt out of the coolant head cap. It didn't leak when I 1st took it out so I left it as is. Went out to look at the car this morning and noticed a lot of water on the floor and up on closer inspection, water had leaked in to the #4 cylinder. The rag was soaked from it, but not soaked to the point that it filled anything up. I'll take a mighty vac and see if there is any accumulated coolant in that passage.
Hope everyone is having a great weekend.
The injectors are going to Witch Hunter on Monday and when those come back I think I will have it finished off this next weekend. Not in time for our monthly gathering, but maybe after that.
One thing I did that has me a bit worried, on the drivers rear head, where the last intake nut goes I had to remove one bolt out of the coolant head cap. It didn't leak when I 1st took it out so I left it as is. Went out to look at the car this morning and noticed a lot of water on the floor and up on closer inspection, water had leaked in to the #4 cylinder. The rag was soaked from it, but not soaked to the point that it filled anything up. I'll take a mighty vac and see if there is any accumulated coolant in that passage.
Hope everyone is having a great weekend.
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[QUOTE=SeanR;4814223]I've collected from Roger all of the hoses (damn there are a lot) 2 knock sensors and all the gaskets that I need for the intake only. I'll do the cam covers and those assorted gaskets in a couple of months time. I didn't do anything yesterday except pick up the parts due to family in town but I think it is time to run out to the garage, fire up a heater and get to work.
+1 for witchhunter. They performed static and pulsed tests before and after refurbishing. I hedged a bet that these bosch injectors are worth more than 100k miles and the very good results on the "before" tests supported that theory. $140.00 was by far the least expensive injector refresh route.
Same thing happened to me except that I was fortunate enough to be standing by when the drip started. This is a gotcha that should be one of those commonly mentioned in the forum manifold refresh tech threads. I guess its mentioned now.
Mike
+1 for witchhunter. They performed static and pulsed tests before and after refurbishing. I hedged a bet that these bosch injectors are worth more than 100k miles and the very good results on the "before" tests supported that theory. $140.00 was by far the least expensive injector refresh route.
Mike