Please help a newbie out with 928 shopping ...
11-15-2007, 08:53 PM
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Not to flog this horse, but you missed this by Panzer:
"I would not give the auto garage space. I am trying to sell one so I am being honest when I write they are crap."
Maybe the one he is selling is crap, seems an odd way to sell a car. My mother-in-law was loved for saying: "Would you like some frozen yogurt, it's not very good." Funniest thing, I never tried it.
Wouldn't be the first time this has been discussed. Seems a lot of subjects go around here every 2 months.
"I would not give the auto garage space. I am trying to sell one so I am being honest when I write they are crap."
Maybe the one he is selling is crap, seems an odd way to sell a car. My mother-in-law was loved for saying: "Would you like some frozen yogurt, it's not very good." Funniest thing, I never tried it.
Wouldn't be the first time this has been discussed. Seems a lot of subjects go around here every 2 months.
SORRY, BRO _ That wasn't my quote- look back into the thread for the correct author(?) I simply said in a nutshell: Get off the fence and buy a GD 5- Speed if that's what you want!
11-15-2007, 10:34 PM
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OK I'll play:
'89 GT you get digital dash, 2.73 gears although a bit noisier then most, but supposedly stronger, mechanical limited slip, it is rare, like appx 65 imported to USA, higher HP then most 330.
Or:
If I couldn't get a '89 GT, I would go with a '91, which has updated seals & sound deadening, GTS shifter, but has PSD (electronically controled Limited Slip) and 326 HP.
But I'm not you and I happen to love the '86.5 in either auto or manual, has 288Hp stock and with chips can put down rwhp very much the same as a GT. They are cheaper and less rare, therefor purists tend not to get their panties in a bind if you modify them or put on a supercharger, turbo or any other go fast goodies. So for the price of a GT, I could get a nice '86.5 and still have money to buy a supercharger to make it out run just about anything on the road today.
'89 GT you get digital dash, 2.73 gears although a bit noisier then most, but supposedly stronger, mechanical limited slip, it is rare, like appx 65 imported to USA, higher HP then most 330.
Or:
If I couldn't get a '89 GT, I would go with a '91, which has updated seals & sound deadening, GTS shifter, but has PSD (electronically controled Limited Slip) and 326 HP.
But I'm not you and I happen to love the '86.5 in either auto or manual, has 288Hp stock and with chips can put down rwhp very much the same as a GT. They are cheaper and less rare, therefor purists tend not to get their panties in a bind if you modify them or put on a supercharger, turbo or any other go fast goodies. So for the price of a GT, I could get a nice '86.5 and still have money to buy a supercharger to make it out run just about anything on the road today.
11-16-2007, 12:53 AM
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Well, it's your bucks, and your bank. Like a few others have said, look into the differences in the model lineup and decide what is important. It is good to start with a price in mind, now investigate what things make you get giggly about the 928.
11-16-2007, 02:12 AM
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I need to put in a word for the older cars or as Jay calls them OB.
Alright you have $20K. Here is the thing. There is a lot to know about the 928. Every year had subtle and some not so subtle differences. It will take you a while to sort these out. I bought a 78 in 1979 and it has taken me a while to figure out the differences. Here is a link to my PPI page with a pretty good run down on the different years.
http://www.kondratyev.com/porsche/ppi/ppi.htm
This will give you a pretty good heads up.
What everyone here has failed to tell you is the basic problem with a 928. Porsche designed a world class car. Even in 1978 at $35K new it was very expensive. Most cars in those days sold new for well below $10K and often well below $5K. You could buy a decent house in 1978 in most parts of the country for $35K. The final price on the last models was apporaching $100K.
When you buy a very expensive car you expect to pay premium prices for the parts. Most parts on the 928 are unique to the car and many are available only through Porsche. With most cars as they age third parties pick up production of the parts that fail most often, bringing down the price of repairs. Competition does this. Since the 928 was considered a limited production run, only a few parts are now manufactured by third parities.
If the 928 was the most reliable car in the world then parts might not be an issue, but it is not. In fact, if you are looking at something on a 928 it is probably a part that will break - sooner or later. Porsche did a little better on quality with newer models. The mid 80s cars like all cars of those years are the worst in quality. The 90 up cars are better made, but they are more complicated, have lower production runs and thus the parts when they fail are more expensive. A engine computer on a S4 up can run up to $1000 and they do fail from time to time. The A/C clutch on a 90 is like $300 and they only are for that year.
My rule of thumb is to buy a 928 for half of what you can afford and figure to put the other half into it over the first year. This is a pretty good rule and if the car runs well you have some money for some nice upgrades.
Since you know little about these cars, I would recommend buying an older one. Forget the US models after 80 and concentrate on finding a 78-79 US model or a 80-86 Euro S model. You can easily find repectable examples of these models for well under $10K. Drive the hell out of the car for the first year and learn all you can. After the first year if you totally love the car, you still have something you can sell for close to what you paid and can make plans to buy a later more expensive and compilcated model.
If you decide like many of us have that the older cars are the better and more fun choice then you can make some investments into improving the car. For $20K you can repaint, reupholster and really clean the car up to something very special. Of course this depends on the amount of work you are willing to do yourself.
As for other Porsche models - forget it. You will never be happy with a lesser car. I am always confused when I see someone list a 928 followed by a 911 or other Porsche. I have owned or worked on most Porsche models. If you want a late model 911 ok that is probably a car, but if you want a world class car stick with the 928.
As for the comments about my trashing the automatics while I am trying to sell one, that is immaterial. What counts is integrity. There are people who an automatic is perfect. Such people are not less or greater than others, they just have special needs.
Those concerned with fatigue when driving a 5 speed in traffic could look at adjusting the clutch pedal tension. Or just don't drive in traffic. The clutch pedel pressure is adjustable to taste. If it is too heavy then it can be lightened up. Remember these cars were designed for Dentist';s wives - even the five speed.
Dan the Pod Guy
Alright you have $20K. Here is the thing. There is a lot to know about the 928. Every year had subtle and some not so subtle differences. It will take you a while to sort these out. I bought a 78 in 1979 and it has taken me a while to figure out the differences. Here is a link to my PPI page with a pretty good run down on the different years.
http://www.kondratyev.com/porsche/ppi/ppi.htm
This will give you a pretty good heads up.
What everyone here has failed to tell you is the basic problem with a 928. Porsche designed a world class car. Even in 1978 at $35K new it was very expensive. Most cars in those days sold new for well below $10K and often well below $5K. You could buy a decent house in 1978 in most parts of the country for $35K. The final price on the last models was apporaching $100K.
When you buy a very expensive car you expect to pay premium prices for the parts. Most parts on the 928 are unique to the car and many are available only through Porsche. With most cars as they age third parties pick up production of the parts that fail most often, bringing down the price of repairs. Competition does this. Since the 928 was considered a limited production run, only a few parts are now manufactured by third parities.
If the 928 was the most reliable car in the world then parts might not be an issue, but it is not. In fact, if you are looking at something on a 928 it is probably a part that will break - sooner or later. Porsche did a little better on quality with newer models. The mid 80s cars like all cars of those years are the worst in quality. The 90 up cars are better made, but they are more complicated, have lower production runs and thus the parts when they fail are more expensive. A engine computer on a S4 up can run up to $1000 and they do fail from time to time. The A/C clutch on a 90 is like $300 and they only are for that year.
My rule of thumb is to buy a 928 for half of what you can afford and figure to put the other half into it over the first year. This is a pretty good rule and if the car runs well you have some money for some nice upgrades.
Since you know little about these cars, I would recommend buying an older one. Forget the US models after 80 and concentrate on finding a 78-79 US model or a 80-86 Euro S model. You can easily find repectable examples of these models for well under $10K. Drive the hell out of the car for the first year and learn all you can. After the first year if you totally love the car, you still have something you can sell for close to what you paid and can make plans to buy a later more expensive and compilcated model.
If you decide like many of us have that the older cars are the better and more fun choice then you can make some investments into improving the car. For $20K you can repaint, reupholster and really clean the car up to something very special. Of course this depends on the amount of work you are willing to do yourself.
As for other Porsche models - forget it. You will never be happy with a lesser car. I am always confused when I see someone list a 928 followed by a 911 or other Porsche. I have owned or worked on most Porsche models. If you want a late model 911 ok that is probably a car, but if you want a world class car stick with the 928.
As for the comments about my trashing the automatics while I am trying to sell one, that is immaterial. What counts is integrity. There are people who an automatic is perfect. Such people are not less or greater than others, they just have special needs.
Those concerned with fatigue when driving a 5 speed in traffic could look at adjusting the clutch pedal tension. Or just don't drive in traffic. The clutch pedel pressure is adjustable to taste. If it is too heavy then it can be lightened up. Remember these cars were designed for Dentist';s wives - even the five speed.
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11-16-2007, 04:28 PM
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I need to put in a word for the older cars or as Jay calls them OB.
Alright you have $20K. Here is the thing. There is a lot to know about the 928. Every year had subtle and some not so subtle differences. It will take you a while to sort these out. I bought a 78 in 1979 and it has taken me a while to figure out the differences. Here is a link to my PPI page with a pretty good run down on the different years.
http://www.kondratyev.com/porsche/ppi/ppi.htm
This will give you a pretty good heads up.
What everyone here has failed to tell you is the basic problem with a 928. Porsche designed a world class car. Even in 1978 at $35K new it was very expensive. Most cars in those days sold new for well below $10K and often well below $5K. You could buy a decent house in 1978 in most parts of the country for $35K. The final price on the last models was apporaching $100K.
When you buy a very expensive car you expect to pay premium prices for the parts. Most parts on the 928 are unique to the car and many are available only through Porsche. With most cars as they age third parties pick up production of the parts that fail most often, bringing down the price of repairs. Competition does this. Since the 928 was considered a limited production run, only a few parts are now manufactured by third parities.
If the 928 was the most reliable car in the world then parts might not be an issue, but it is not. In fact, if you are looking at something on a 928 it is probably a part that will break - sooner or later. Porsche did a little better on quality with newer models. The mid 80s cars like all cars of those years are the worst in quality. The 90 up cars are better made, but they are more complicated, have lower production runs and thus the parts when they fail are more expensive. A engine computer on a S4 up can run up to $1000 and they do fail from time to time. The A/C clutch on a 90 is like $300 and they only are for that year.
My rule of thumb is to buy a 928 for half of what you can afford and figure to put the other half into it over the first year. This is a pretty good rule and if the car runs well you have some money for some nice upgrades.
Since you know little about these cars, I would recommend buying an older one. Forget the US models after 80 and concentrate on finding a 78-79 US model or a 80-86 Euro S model. You can easily find repectable examples of these models for well under $10K. Drive the hell out of the car for the first year and learn all you can. After the first year if you totally love the car, you still have something you can sell for close to what you paid and can make plans to buy a later more expensive and compilcated model.
If you decide like many of us have that the older cars are the better and more fun choice then you can make some investments into improving the car. For $20K you can repaint, reupholster and really clean the car up to something very special. Of course this depends on the amount of work you are willing to do yourself.
As for other Porsche models - forget it. You will never be happy with a lesser car. I am always confused when I see someone list a 928 followed by a 911 or other Porsche. I have owned or worked on most Porsche models. If you want a late model 911 ok that is probably a car, but if you want a world class car stick with the 928.
As for the comments about my trashing the automatics while I am trying to sell one, that is immaterial. What counts is integrity. There are people who an automatic is perfect. Such people are not less or greater than others, they just have special needs.
Those concerned with fatigue when driving a 5 speed in traffic could look at adjusting the clutch pedal tension. Or just don't drive in traffic. The clutch pedel pressure is adjustable to taste. If it is too heavy then it can be lightened up. Remember these cars were designed for Dentist';s wives - even the five speed.
Dan the Pod Guy
Alright you have $20K. Here is the thing. There is a lot to know about the 928. Every year had subtle and some not so subtle differences. It will take you a while to sort these out. I bought a 78 in 1979 and it has taken me a while to figure out the differences. Here is a link to my PPI page with a pretty good run down on the different years.
http://www.kondratyev.com/porsche/ppi/ppi.htm
This will give you a pretty good heads up.
What everyone here has failed to tell you is the basic problem with a 928. Porsche designed a world class car. Even in 1978 at $35K new it was very expensive. Most cars in those days sold new for well below $10K and often well below $5K. You could buy a decent house in 1978 in most parts of the country for $35K. The final price on the last models was apporaching $100K.
When you buy a very expensive car you expect to pay premium prices for the parts. Most parts on the 928 are unique to the car and many are available only through Porsche. With most cars as they age third parties pick up production of the parts that fail most often, bringing down the price of repairs. Competition does this. Since the 928 was considered a limited production run, only a few parts are now manufactured by third parities.
If the 928 was the most reliable car in the world then parts might not be an issue, but it is not. In fact, if you are looking at something on a 928 it is probably a part that will break - sooner or later. Porsche did a little better on quality with newer models. The mid 80s cars like all cars of those years are the worst in quality. The 90 up cars are better made, but they are more complicated, have lower production runs and thus the parts when they fail are more expensive. A engine computer on a S4 up can run up to $1000 and they do fail from time to time. The A/C clutch on a 90 is like $300 and they only are for that year.
My rule of thumb is to buy a 928 for half of what you can afford and figure to put the other half into it over the first year. This is a pretty good rule and if the car runs well you have some money for some nice upgrades.
Since you know little about these cars, I would recommend buying an older one. Forget the US models after 80 and concentrate on finding a 78-79 US model or a 80-86 Euro S model. You can easily find repectable examples of these models for well under $10K. Drive the hell out of the car for the first year and learn all you can. After the first year if you totally love the car, you still have something you can sell for close to what you paid and can make plans to buy a later more expensive and compilcated model.
If you decide like many of us have that the older cars are the better and more fun choice then you can make some investments into improving the car. For $20K you can repaint, reupholster and really clean the car up to something very special. Of course this depends on the amount of work you are willing to do yourself.
As for other Porsche models - forget it. You will never be happy with a lesser car. I am always confused when I see someone list a 928 followed by a 911 or other Porsche. I have owned or worked on most Porsche models. If you want a late model 911 ok that is probably a car, but if you want a world class car stick with the 928.
As for the comments about my trashing the automatics while I am trying to sell one, that is immaterial. What counts is integrity. There are people who an automatic is perfect. Such people are not less or greater than others, they just have special needs.
Those concerned with fatigue when driving a 5 speed in traffic could look at adjusting the clutch pedal tension. Or just don't drive in traffic. The clutch pedel pressure is adjustable to taste. If it is too heavy then it can be lightened up. Remember these cars were designed for Dentist';s wives - even the five speed.
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Iv,e owned my MY 80 928S, 300 bhp manual for 16 years, and recently drove an 89 S4 auto,.. as everyone keeps on about the auto box,..... whilst it was nice, it certainly is,nt as involving as my manual box, and now I would,nt want one,.....and if it,s good enough for Ferrari,s etc, it,s good for me.
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