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87 octane
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Octane poll for 16V cars

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Old 06-23-2008, 10:00 PM
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Old 06-23-2008, 10:10 PM
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There are a lot of specs for many different engines, but generally the 16 valve engines had lower compression ratios. That is why the 16 valve engines are considered non-interference and the 32 valve engines are interference.

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The info on here may not always be 100% correct but this place is at least always Entertaining
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whatever is the highest at the station, thats what she gets. However I was told by a race engine guy that high octain doesnt make any power. Lower octain actually makes mroe power.??? I dunno.. I always took his word for it. after all he was the engine guy, I was just the parts salesman
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Originally Posted by Shark Attack
whatever is the highest at the station, thats what she gets. However I was told by a race engine guy that high octain doesnt make any power. Lower octain actually makes mroe power.??? I dunno.. I always took his word for it. after all he was the engine guy, I was just the parts salesman
To that I will add that when I run low octane gas in any of my cars they feel like they are lacking power. I'm sure the computer is retarding the timing.
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Interresting reading :

Octane : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating

"It should be noted that octane rating does not relate to the energy content of the fuel (see heating value), nor the speed at which the flame initiated by the spark plug propagates across the cylinder. It is only a measure of the fuel's resistance to autoignition. It is for this reason that one highly branched form, or isomer, of octane (2,2,4-trimethylpentane) has (by definition) an octane rating of 100, whereas n-octane (see octane), which has a linear arrangement of the 8 carbon atoms, has an octane rating of -10, even though the two fuels have exactly the same chemical formula and virtually identical heating values and flame speeds."
"Knocking" : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_knocking

"Under ideal conditions the common piston internal combustion engine burns its fuel/air mix in the cylinder in an orderly and controlled fashion. The combustion is started by the spark plug some 5 to 40 crankshaft degrees prior to top dead center (TDC), depending on engine speed and load. This ignition advance allows time for the combustion process to develop peak pressure at the ideal time for maximum recovery of work from the expanding gases.
The spark across the spark plug's electrodes forms a small kernel of flame approximately the size of the spark plug gap. As it grows in size its heat output increases allowing it to grow at an accelerating rate, expanding rapidly through the combustion chamber. This growth is due to the travel of the flame front through the combustible fuel air mix itself and due to turbulence rapidly stretching the burning zone into a complex of fingers of burning fuel air that have a much greater surface area than a simple spherical ball of flame would have. In normal combustion, this flame front moves throughout the fuel air mix at a rate characteristic for the fuel-air mixture. Pressure rises smoothly to a peak, as nearly all the available fuel is consumed, then pressure falls as the piston descends. Maximum cylinder pressure is achieved a few crankshaft degrees after the piston passes TDC, so that the increasing pressure can give the piston a hard push when its speed and mechanical advantage on the crank shaft gives the best recovery of force from the expanding gases."
Basicly, different octane doesn't mean faster ignition nor more energy. It means resistance to autoignition by pressure.

Not using the require octane in a car will result in badly timed explosion, most likely cause by early ignition, or pocket of non-ignited fuel exploding too late. This can lead to lost of power, but may also burn your engine down much faster by submiting it to higher pressure than designed for. Sure your car will run... But in long run, it won't help.

Please, less myth and more science.
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Originally Posted by LightStriker
Interresting reading :

Octane : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating



"Knocking" : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_knocking



Basicly, different octane doesn't mean faster ignition nor more energy. It means resistance to autoignition by pressure.

Not using the require octane in a car will result in badly timed explosion, most likely cause by early ignition, or pocket of non-ignited fuel exploding too late.

Please, less myth and more science.
Old 06-24-2008, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by LightStriker
The 2 pages :
Hmmm, looks like you left out all the earlier engines. BTW there are two books on engines in the WSM, as far as I know.

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Originally Posted by Dennis Wilson
Hmmm, looks like you left out all the earlier engines. BTW there are two books on engines in the WSM, as far as I know.

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'77, '78 and '79 run at 8.5:1 ratio.

From the (77-79) bracket, to the (80-82) and (83-85), which are all 16v, Prosche probably require different octane, or changed the explosion timing accordingly.

It's if you want the best timed explosion, you use the octane require by the builder.
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Originally Posted by LightStriker
It's if you want the best timed explosion, you use the octane require by the builder.
Yes and no. Yes, if you will set the timing exactly to spec. No, if you're the kind of person who is willing to dial in a bit more advance and run a higher octane -- some benefits to be had there...

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Quick note. Ran my first tank of premium today. Car seems to run well maybe even better than on 89 Octane. Test on going
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Originally Posted by 6mil928
Quick note. Ran my first tank of premium today. Car seems to run well maybe even better than on 89 Octane. Test on going
Ah, the olde seat of the pants dyno!! Actually it could improve the mileage dependent upon timing, etc. I have noticed the price of 91 is actually less than 10% higher than 89 octane so it could be more economical. I like the additional burble in the exhaust when I decelerate when using 91 on my 78. Of course that means I'm not getting the full combustion chamber burn.

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Yep the Butt Dyno says 91 is GOOOOOOOOOOOOD
Old 06-27-2008, 05:10 AM
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I'm really surprised the 89 Octane has received so few votes. It would seem to be a good compromise for those that get a little pinging with the lower octane.
Old 07-22-2009, 05:44 PM
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I accidentally put 87 into my Godzilla for the first time in almost 10 years' ownership. I swear I feel a performance boost. I have been very careful to keep revs down though.


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