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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Andrew Olson:
<strong>I think you mean quick not fast!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Yes, I do mean quick most of the time, but there is a Supra TT in the neighborhood that is FAST!

Jim bailey - 928 International

the Dodge Neon SRT-4 turbo costs well under $ 20k has a warranty cheap financing relatively low insurance .... 0-60 in 5.3 seconds 1/4 mile 14.2 and top speed 148-153 depending on who is testing . Silly thing weighs nearly 3,000 lbs ....it is quick and fast as well as cheap . Then bump the boost open up the exhaust ....You get the picture ....not someone to race at any speed !

Jack '84 928s

Yea the manufactures are starting to make factory cars fast as hell. I drove a PT Cruiser turbo damn that thing was fast! It would do a hell of a burnout too. Im just saying where i live there are no fast japenese cars at all. Today someone tried to race my sister. She has a lancer, regular one, a guy pulls up next to us in one with a loud exhaust on it. ONly diiffrence was that and a spoiler lol. He sat there reving the motor untill the light turned.

tresamore

It's a bitch when technology catches up to you isn't it! Our high end cars had all that latest and greatest technology (then). That same technology is now in the Neons, PT Cruisers, accords, etc... What you used to pull up next to that made you laugh as you sped away, now makes you think, "Should I risk the embarrassment of losing against this (inset car here) or just avoid it all together. Its not as much fun seeing a 5.0 Mustang as it used to be.
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Ell

This weekend I saw a Ford Focus running with a 2003 Mustang GT supercharged engine under the hood. The car looked about the same, a little lower. I would not want to race it. Way to fast.

John..

Yes, but ask yourselves this:

Would you really want to drive a Neon or Ford Focus at sustained high speeds?

150 in a Neon is a death wish!

I know I would not.

TAREK

Not to discount that the 928 feels "comfortable" at high speed, but Ford Focus with more than 350 rwhp is running in the World Pro Rally Championship (a widely ignored racing discipline in this country), in the hands of the world's top drivers in motorsport. These cars are put through all types of terrain at high speed and over multiple days for each race. They may be much faster than the street going models, but the suspension and handling are close, if not equivalent, following some aftermarket mods...and that's based on World Rally championship rules for Group A...which allows enthiasts like us to acquire or build a vehicle with close enough specs, using mostly factory parts. If you witness the performance and handling of these vehicles, you wouldn't think twice about taking the moderately prepped Ford Focus to over 150mph, on rough terrain too...unlike what we can do to the 928

And by the way, 150mph in any car is a death wish...and there is no scientific evidence that a Porsche is safer if crashing at that speed. In fact, the literature states "lighter is safer" if crashing at those speeds. As for handling at over 150 mph (faster than a free fall out of an airplane), the aerodynamic factor increases dramatically in favor of the lighter and better tuned frame...not that the 928 isn't near perfect aerodymamically, but properly engineered aftermarket (or factory racing) mods on the Ford Focus or Dodge Neon have yielded stunning results so far

Tarek

Jim bailey - 928 International

Tarek makes a very valid point ; at 150 mph you are probably going faster than you would be if dropped from an airplane at 10,000 feet comfortably strapped in your 928 watching the ground rushing toward you . On the highway when you crash it may not be something as unforgiving as slamming into the earth but it also could be..... a large tree or concrete bridge piling can be very solid . The energy stored in an object in motion increases geometrically so a crash at 50 mph is not 1/2 as bad as a crash at 100 mph but much less so . At 150 mph you are seeing NASCAR style events which without the full roll cage , Hans device , 6 point harness and helmet gives you little chance for survival even in a glancing hit to moveable objects . I especially like the T V commercial (insurance company) teaching young drivers about the speed /danger . The lady drops a car from the top of the school building (three floors as I recall )and tells the kids that is the same as a 40 mph crash ! She then says how about 50 mph and the crane lifts the car up to 5 floors high . My point , how many of you would agree to be seat belted in your car and dropped 5 floors ? Yet millions of us do that on a regular basis ; many still refuse to use SEAT BELTS . The 928 is a very safe solid stabile car but crash one at over 100 mph and very bad things can happen . If you injure or kill yourself you are resposible and can live with that , do that to others and you will be held responsible for that as well and can easily face criminal charges and a lifetime of regret . If you need to "go fast" find a drivers education track event and really go fast ; you will also learn that you may not be nearly as good a driver as you thought .

Mike LaBranche

Amen Jim. Do those speeds on the track.

But... to get back to the Fast/Furious ricer topic...

I think we're all old. It's the same doo-doo we were doing from puberty to first license suspension. You work with what you got and these days it's Honda, Toyota, Ford, Suburu, etc. instead of Chevy, Chevy, and Chevy. hee hee. That they drive like idiots is Darwin at work, frankly. It's up to all us old farts to act responsibly and show them the way to behave.

Granted, the movie(s) are pretty lame. But there's cars, engines, speed, and cute young females which is usually much more than I need to justify watching a movie. Plot? What plot? But did you see that blown hemi? Or those 4 cylinder hyperventillating sewing machine engines cranking out several hundred ponies? I'll take one of each please....

Rufus Sanders

OK, Jim is right. But I must ask, honeslty, how many of us have driven over 95 mph in the past week. I have. Are we irresponsable like the ricers? Does the Porsche Crest give us some sort of legitimacy that they don't have. I'm just asking, trying to find the rationlization point that allows us to have 140, 150, 170 mph cars.

I'll drive fast in the future, Not as fast as I used to, and not at the limit on purpose. But how fast is "2 Fast"? - Ruf

Ell

I had a Ford Taurus SHO when I lived in Germany. I used to hit Cruse Controll at 135 mph and drive from Frankfurt to Sulzburg. It would do more but I didn't want to burn up my Honda motor. I didn't like getting passes as much as I did, I just couldn't afford the insurance on a Porsche over there.