Drive oil pump with back side of belt?
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If the gear were machined, removing the teeth?
I'm still thinking about a VVTS for my 86, and I need more belt length to give a 6-10° range. (I'm changing the timing by varying the length of the belt on each side of the crank pulley.)
This is what I tried on my '81. I would be using a more sophisticated linkage for the '86.
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If I could run the oil pump with a smooth pulley, it would help me two ways. There would be more belt wrap on the crank pulley, and give me more belt length for advance/retarding the valve timing.
I'd have to remove the rear cover, but it looks like there's room. (Photo of DaveK9's '85 engine.)
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I looked for a longer belt, but the 928 tooth profile and spacing is unique. It has specs more like a chain.
I'm still thinking about a VVTS for my 86, and I need more belt length to give a 6-10° range. (I'm changing the timing by varying the length of the belt on each side of the crank pulley.)
This is what I tried on my '81. I would be using a more sophisticated linkage for the '86.
![](https://members.rennlist.com/porken/PKVVTTest.jpg)
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If I could run the oil pump with a smooth pulley, it would help me two ways. There would be more belt wrap on the crank pulley, and give me more belt length for advance/retarding the valve timing.
I'd have to remove the rear cover, but it looks like there's room. (Photo of DaveK9's '85 engine.)
![](https://members.rennlist.com/porken/DaveK9_New-Belt-on.jpg)
I looked for a longer belt, but the 928 tooth profile and spacing is unique. It has specs more like a chain.
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Ken,
It looks like the design calls for about 1/2 of each gear to make contact with the belt (never noticed that before) do you think there's an advantage to having more contact?
How about if you went with some other way to drive the oil pump (maybe electric, or driven off a different belt?) so you could have the timing belt come off the crank and go straight up to the DS sprocket? I know the PS bracket goes on there, but maybe there's a way.
Wouldn't using the top make the pump turn the wrong way?
It looks like the design calls for about 1/2 of each gear to make contact with the belt (never noticed that before) do you think there's an advantage to having more contact?
How about if you went with some other way to drive the oil pump (maybe electric, or driven off a different belt?) so you could have the timing belt come off the crank and go straight up to the DS sprocket? I know the PS bracket goes on there, but maybe there's a way.
Wouldn't using the top make the pump turn the wrong way?
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Duh. ![banghead](https://rennlist.com/forums/graemlins/banghead.gif)
I had thought to make an extension on the oil pump shaft, to space it out where the multi-rib alternator belt could drive it.
I wonder how many HP it takes to drive the pump? An electric motor would have advantages...
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I wonder how many HP it takes to drive the pump? An electric motor would have advantages...
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The water pump discharges ~1/2 bar vs the minimum of 5 bar for the oil pump at rpm >2000. The coolant system can tolerate some considerable variation in flow ( centrifrugal pump) wheras the oil system ( constant vol gear pump) cannot, for the latter regulates excess flow via the pressure regulating check valve.
Thinking out loud about it
.... there appears to be good reason for a geared drive ....
Thinking out loud about it
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All good reasons not to do it! Besides the fact that it would go the wrong way. ![Big Grin](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
I guess I'm back to using (making) an electric water pump. Without the fan bracket mount in the way, there would be plenty of belt.
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I guess I'm back to using (making) an electric water pump. Without the fan bracket mount in the way, there would be plenty of belt.
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Here is the pump that I am running on my intercooler....without the mounting "pipes". This one is for a big block chevrolet.
http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku
Regards,
Ken
http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku
Regards,
Ken