IcemanG17

http://www.fastestlaps.com/car45c6da06c08f0.html

I found this website a while back......so I posted a link of Andersons best time at Laguna Seca of 1:30.848.......just checked it the other day....they pulled the time since it was "too fast...there is no way the old Porsche can beat a Z06!"

So I posted it again....it got deleted again.....so I had to put some more comments...... Some people are just plain ignorant...... 1:30.848 is flat moving at Laguna.....there aren't many GT2 or GT1 cars that are that fast!

Maybe the power of rennlist should be unleashed on this site?

http://www.fastestlaps.com/track16.html

I guess they can't see a "fat and lazy" 928 beating the brand new GT3 by 9 seconds a lap....too bad it DOES

mark kibort

how about the 20 year old 928 with nothing more than a set of headers and tires running the same time as the GT3 and its pro drivers. (1:39.0)
clearly, the 928 is the fastest, oldest, production based race car in the world!
with its original engine!
mk

mark kibort

Here is why they removed it!

mk


1. Every lap time must be provided with proper reference*.
2. A car has to be 100% street legal and without any aftermarket modifications (100% stock).


Definitions
*Reference: an Internet link (URL) that points to an article clearly stating the lap time/record and the conditions. The web site must belong to a reputable recognized organization, like the car's manufacturer, a major car magazine or a major TV show. It is up to FastestLaps.com to recognize the source or not, also the lap time/record. The article must show clearly:
When the record was done, at least the year must be mentioned
Who did it (driver or organization)
Make, year and model of the car
Track conditions and car trim, optional
If there is no online article and only a published paper article, then we need an image scan of the paper page from the publication with details (like CarMagazine March 2007 page 13, not just CarMagazine). FastestLaps.com can host the image if needed. Just referring the paper magazine is not enough because it cannot be verified online. How we can distinguish the truth from gossip? It is not easy, but here are some guidelines:
A true reference is usually published by whoever paid for the test (manufacturer, car magazine, TV show, etc)
Truth sounds like this: "Racing driver Fast One recorded a 1:11.1 test lap time on Race Track on 2007/06/06 with a 2007 Carsky X15".
Gossip sounds like this: "the automaker claims the car will circle in 2 minutes, 25 seconds". Please note the wording, it is written "the car will circle", not "the car had circled".
A true reference gets published in many places most of the time, with details. If the gossip is re-published it still remains gossip, with the same foggy wording. Enthusiasts sites, blog sites, personal sites, etc are not recognized for obvious reasons.

Bret928

Hmmm? Number two seems to indicate that the site only caters to the enthusiast with deep pockets. Not necessarily those who appreciates or understands the inner workings of a vehicle.

Scanning the web site & using the “which is faster” comparisons for some vehicles, some of their data seems incomplete. I plugged in the a Viper GTS & the Shelby GT500 and it called the Shelby as the winner. Yet while the top speed wasn’t listed for the Viper all the other data supported it as the winner.

For a site that demands that only known, creditable & reputable sources will be accepted in order for an entry to be recognized, theirs data seems to not be all that great either.

IcemanG17

MK
I really doubt anyone who takes anycar to the track regularly runs a 100% stock car....something is "improved" along the way....like track brake pads & R compound tires....

ew928

Guess 100% street stock parts may be able to get that 1 or 2 fast lap before the
brake fluid boils/pad dies or the motor blows up.

Must suck for some of those sportier street cars that come with real crummy 70,000 mile all weather tires.

SwayBar

From here: http://www.fastestlaps.com/car45c6da06c08f0.html

"Anonymous 29.07.2007
FastestLaps, stop being ignorant douchebags. You obviously know little to nothing about the 928 and what it is and is not capable of. Don't put your ignorance on the rest of the track community and the people who read this site."

I think whomever wrote the previous is the 'ignorant douchebag' as well as sounding like an insecure ricer; you represent the 928 community well.

Fabio421

I agree Lag. That does sound pretty bad.

mark kibort

I just fired off a reality check.
The guy is right to a point. I , or anyone, would have an impossible time taking a GTS at 3800lbs with driver to a time under 1:40 at laguna, especially with a stock suspension and 255 rear tires.
However, near matching the weight and tire sizes with an equal supension (ie the Hobert racer)and it comes out pretty close not to mention the S4 ran 180mph at Nardo in stock form! (22 years ago)

mk

IcemanG17

Sweet......I just wanted the power of rennlist to give a reality check to "fastest lap" so they can see that the 928 is far faster than what they think!!

I like how its okay for other cars to be "adjusted" but not Kiborts car.....then he says they have to be street legal....well gee...how does Kibort get to every race.....by DRIVING THERE....whatever....there are so many haters out there that just don't see the light....I like how every time we post get removed......

largecar379

interesting thing about who, what, where's the fastest......

One only has to look at HOTROD magazine, which has had these types of contests for decades.

Their current fastest "street car"?

An early 70's Plymouth Duster, running a massive big block Mopar (over 660 cubic inches), enough stages of laughing gas to put the entire city New York under for a week, and enough rubber under the rear end to coat all four corners of two 928's.

Can you drive it to the local Sonic, and the 1500 or so miles in HOTROD's contest? Maybe, but slugging out at Laguna Seca or in Houston, TX rush hour traffic in the heat of August would probably kill most cars like this-----

Is street stock really street stock? Is Pro Mod really anything goes? Does NASCAR really have rules that no one tries to bend?

Hardly the case......it's always what you can get away with, and how well you prepare the car for the rules that were written.

As for the fastest lap listings on the above referenced website.....all one has to do is look at which magazine did the listing of the times:

"Motor Trend"

Those guys at "Motor Trend" (in case none of you read it regularly) have NEVER given the Viper a fair shake, nor the Porsche 911 turbo, nor anything else they have put up against the Corvette (in any shape, Z-06 or earlier). They are die-hard GM fanatics, regardless of flavor. In their eyes, the Corvette could do no wrong in any test, against any vehicle of the same caliber, much less one 20 years older.......

And you are surprised that the 928 doesn't even get a mention?????

Again----reality check.

regards-----

Mike Frye

OK, so who wants to start a new website that allows for times to be posted (if they're confirmed) for any car that's currently street legal, regardless of what it was in stock form.

That would be a cool website and I think if it were set up correctly it would be impartial and generate a lot of interest.

Anyone???

mark kibort

I plan to run in the "time attack" in november put on by the street racer magazines.
there is a class that is "limited" and all it means is that you drive the car to the track with a licensed vehicle and have DOT tires and factory class (or no glass). uh oh, forgot, even if i change the rear window back to glass, those rear quarters are lexan. oh well, guess its unlimited .

November 7th , at Buttonwillow is the world wide championship event. I think its put on by SuperStreet magazine.

mk