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07-27-2007, 10:24 AM
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Macfly, welcome!
Gorgeous car you found. It really looks just about perfect; there's a touch of wear on the driver's seat left side bolster, but that's common. Not having the rub strips is pretty cool, and no rear A/C simplifies that system a bit.
You'll have a great time driving and personalizing this car, I bet! It still has stock exhaust, so if you find yourself wanting a bit more roar, an RMB (rear muffler bypass) is probably the easiest, lowest cost mod that really changes the character of the car.
Good luck, and post often!
Gorgeous car you found. It really looks just about perfect; there's a touch of wear on the driver's seat left side bolster, but that's common. Not having the rub strips is pretty cool, and no rear A/C simplifies that system a bit.
You'll have a great time driving and personalizing this car, I bet! It still has stock exhaust, so if you find yourself wanting a bit more roar, an RMB (rear muffler bypass) is probably the easiest, lowest cost mod that really changes the character of the car.
Good luck, and post often!
07-27-2007, 10:27 AM
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Never take the 928 to a dealer!! Trust me I know from expierience. They will tell you that they know how to work on them and what needs to be done, but, they don't.
07-27-2007, 10:35 AM
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Mark speaks the truth. Think about it...
Some guy (you) drives into a stealership with an old POS (in their mind) that they only see once in a while. This guy asks the shop to go through the car and change fluids etc. Let me ask you, if you were the shop manager, who would you give this car to? The top mech? or the kid you just hired? The kid... right?
So this kid, who could very well be younger than the car, goes through the car. He changes the tranny fluid, changes the oil, fills up the washer fluid, tops off the power steering fluid, and makes a few notes about a cracked boot here and a leaky somethin-or-other there.
You get a bill for $300-$500 as an initiation fee to the world of Porsche and you feel moderately a$$-raped from the experience, but you feel good because you took good care of your new baby. Right?
Here's the rub... about a month.... oh who am I kidding... a week or two later, you notice your power steering is funny, but you have no clue what's wrong. The dealership topped off the fluid, so it must be old age. So you take it back to the same stealership and you find out that the rack is dead and they quote you $2k to R&R. Ouch! You think, "Damn this Porsche thing is expensive!" but you go through with it anyway. This time they give it to a proper mech and he fixes it. But he fails to note that he found power steering fluid in the power steering system.
By now you're thinking, "Huh? Andrew, you're confusing me!"
The 928 does not use power steering fluid in the power steering. It uses ATF! That's right... transmission fluid! But that jr. mech that did the fluids didn't know this and didn't think to ask because he knows everything. He poured power steering fluid into the system!
So is the stealership going to tell you about this? Hell no! They're going to take your money and count their luck stars that they didn't have to pay for it. You'll drive away with $2k less in your bank account and a new-found appreciation for becoming a shade-tree mechanic becasue you don't want to explain to the wife that your new toy needs another $2k in repairs!
Now that's just one illustration of how someone that's not familiar with a 928 can ruin your 928 experience within a few weeks. There are plenty of more ways... I've seen it a million times.
So heed Mark's advice and find someone local that knows 928's to help you do it right.
Some guy (you) drives into a stealership with an old POS (in their mind) that they only see once in a while. This guy asks the shop to go through the car and change fluids etc. Let me ask you, if you were the shop manager, who would you give this car to? The top mech? or the kid you just hired? The kid... right?
So this kid, who could very well be younger than the car, goes through the car. He changes the tranny fluid, changes the oil, fills up the washer fluid, tops off the power steering fluid, and makes a few notes about a cracked boot here and a leaky somethin-or-other there.
You get a bill for $300-$500 as an initiation fee to the world of Porsche and you feel moderately a$$-raped from the experience, but you feel good because you took good care of your new baby. Right?
Here's the rub... about a month.... oh who am I kidding... a week or two later, you notice your power steering is funny, but you have no clue what's wrong. The dealership topped off the fluid, so it must be old age. So you take it back to the same stealership and you find out that the rack is dead and they quote you $2k to R&R. Ouch! You think, "Damn this Porsche thing is expensive!" but you go through with it anyway. This time they give it to a proper mech and he fixes it. But he fails to note that he found power steering fluid in the power steering system.
By now you're thinking, "Huh? Andrew, you're confusing me!"
The 928 does not use power steering fluid in the power steering. It uses ATF! That's right... transmission fluid! But that jr. mech that did the fluids didn't know this and didn't think to ask because he knows everything. He poured power steering fluid into the system!
So is the stealership going to tell you about this? Hell no! They're going to take your money and count their luck stars that they didn't have to pay for it. You'll drive away with $2k less in your bank account and a new-found appreciation for becoming a shade-tree mechanic becasue you don't want to explain to the wife that your new toy needs another $2k in repairs!
Now that's just one illustration of how someone that's not familiar with a 928 can ruin your 928 experience within a few weeks. There are plenty of more ways... I've seen it a million times.
So heed Mark's advice and find someone local that knows 928's to help you do it right.
07-27-2007, 11:48 AM
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wow. andrew you really know how to make a point!
guess no go on the dealership! LOL.
hmmm. sounds like i have lots of work ahead of me. finding these CDs and a mechanic. thanks again all. i ordered a few books on the 928 from Amazon but there really doesnt seem to be that much out there which is surprising. look forward to learning more and hopefully having fun driving trouble free.
07-27-2007, 01:22 PM
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NOOOOOOO!!!!
DO NOT take your car to a P-car dealer. Unless you get REALLY lucky, most dealers have no idea about your car. Many stories about dealers doing more harm then good!! (I venture to say that 99% of P-car dealers don't know about the pinch collar, either!)
Post your location and get input from the forum here about 928 KNOWLEDEGABLE independent shops nearby!!!
PS - Welcome to the asylum!!
DO NOT take your car to a P-car dealer. Unless you get REALLY lucky, most dealers have no idea about your car. Many stories about dealers doing more harm then good!! (I venture to say that 99% of P-car dealers don't know about the pinch collar, either!)
Post your location and get input from the forum here about 928 KNOWLEDEGABLE independent shops nearby!!!
PS - Welcome to the asylum!!
MacFly,
You are now an official if unwilling member of the 928 lunatic fringe.
Soon your garage, trunk or kitchen table will be sporting multiple piles of assorted literature, print-outs, strange parts of German origin (Hitlers revenge) and quite possibly invoices for large dollar amounts - some that you dont really need, but feel better by purchasing.
If you will pm me I'll forward links to a bunch of sites, suppliers, lists that you can use to become more informed about the 928. Lord knows I sure had to - bought mine 6 months ago & had to take a crash course in Porschology 928! Know what a multi meter is?
(hehehehe) If you find out you might save $000's. Can you learn to jumper a relay? (super-simple) May also save you $00's.Welcome aboard...BTW, your car looks WONDERFUL!
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07-27-2007, 01:28 PM
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OK Macfly you Irish bug! (you said it's OK, right?)
I highly recommend the CD set from Jim Morehouse (you'll find him with a search).
Just send a PM or e-mail and he'll get you a price. The set contains a searchable WSM (work shop manual) as well as the PET-6 parts program and lots and lots of other stuff. It's very reasonably priced and I have used it extensively since I got it.
Otherwise, you'll do much better by searching and asking around on here than you would anywhere else. I'm still a newbie (car went on the road last year on 9/28!), and there's no way my car would be on the road, much less getting better if it weren't for this group.
Also go through the new user FAQ at the top of the thread. It's lots of reading, but you'll find lots of good info and links in there.
Keep us posted an good luck!
I highly recommend the CD set from Jim Morehouse (you'll find him with a search).
Just send a PM or e-mail and he'll get you a price. The set contains a searchable WSM (work shop manual) as well as the PET-6 parts program and lots and lots of other stuff. It's very reasonably priced and I have used it extensively since I got it.
Otherwise, you'll do much better by searching and asking around on here than you would anywhere else. I'm still a newbie (car went on the road last year on 9/28!), and there's no way my car would be on the road, much less getting better if it weren't for this group.
Also go through the new user FAQ at the top of the thread. It's lots of reading, but you'll find lots of good info and links in there.
Keep us posted an good luck!
07-27-2007, 02:58 PM
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McFly, welcome to the group. It is a very nice looking car, and it appears well maintained. In spite of the fact that you like the seller, and the car has low mileage, you still need a PPI. Post your location, and see if one of our members can refer you to a good 928 mechanic. Like the others say, stay away from Porsche dealers 
07-27-2007, 03:54 PM
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I think we all agree. Taking your car to the Porsche dealer usually means they cut corners to get the job done so they won't have to break out the 928 WSM. There are many stories here about owners taking their cars in for fluid services only to find out they didn't get changed after all. Oh, definately DON'T have them do your belts for you. You really need to check in with Jim Morehouse and get yourself a set of WSM (Work Shop Manuals) on CD. I just bought a set and it only costs $82 (incl. shipping) and it comes with a wealth of other information to assist you. Much of the work is broken down step by step. What isn't you will be able to find relatively easy here on Rennlist. Just remember - you are only dealing with nuts/bolts. The trick is to simply label everything as you take it apart and separate them into ziplock bags. YOU CAN DO IT! Don't let this thing intimidate you as it is no more difficult (once you read up on your task) than any GM car out there. The electrical can be a bit tricky, but I'm referring to the mechanicals. Good luck!
07-27-2007, 04:08 PM
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^ Even a welcome from the local constabulary! You should fit right in.
I agree with everyone above, your local dealer probably has NO ONE on staff who is experienced nor qualified to work on this car. Find a local wrench by referral and then start learning on your own. The more you know about the 928 the more you'll appreciate it's uniqueness and be able to communicate correctly with your mechanic.
I agree with everyone above, your local dealer probably has NO ONE on staff who is experienced nor qualified to work on this car. Find a local wrench by referral and then start learning on your own. The more you know about the 928 the more you'll appreciate it's uniqueness and be able to communicate correctly with your mechanic.
07-27-2007, 05:11 PM
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cool. thanks guys. although i am listed as living in new york city i will soon be heading down to northern virginia, dc/maryland area. any mechanics in that area would be good to find.
anyone know any?
unfortunately i am leaving for finland where i will be living for the next few months (just got married to a finnish girl) while we are waiting for her immigration papers. this means the car will be shipped to my parents and i wont be able to even see it before i go!
oh well. i asked the parents to suffer through driving it every now and then just to keep it happy.
anyone know any?
unfortunately i am leaving for finland where i will be living for the next few months (just got married to a finnish girl) while we are waiting for her immigration papers. this means the car will be shipped to my parents and i wont be able to even see it before i go!
oh well. i asked the parents to suffer through driving it every now and then just to keep it happy.
07-27-2007, 05:58 PM
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Love the color. Wish mine had grey interior. Actually that is the first Diamond Blue Metallic I've seen that doesn't have blue interior. Very nice. Welcome to the asylum.