At last. Stroker pistons......
07-12-2007, 02:40 AM
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SwarBar wrote:
I don't think he would do it, or he would've just handled it. How would you accomplish lightening the pins without compromising their structural integrity?, hone out the core?
Sterling wrote:
Exactly. I'm not paying my machinest to fix this, ROSS is going to have to deal with it.
Can't your machinist remove the 6 grams from the two wrist pins himself? That would seem to be the easiest way to deal with the problem
Sterling wrote:
The problem is that he shouldn't have to. it might be as easy as Ross sending out a couple of wrist pins
07-12-2007, 02:58 AM
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On factory pistons there seems to be two different types of pins, at least. S3 pistons have 2mm larger hole than 968 and all '87+ 928 pistons based on limited sample I have seen. In Adam's case its better to have Ross make things good but I would not hesitate to have 968 pins machined to make them even.
What was the reason why factory added material in to pins anyway? Have there been problems in S3 engines? Would S3 pins be safe to use in 968 pistons? This would be very tempting especially if crank balancing is going to give problems. Haven't measured it yet but there is signifficant weight difference in pins. Material is most likely same meaning its possible to calculate saving if someone has number for later pins.
What was the reason why factory added material in to pins anyway? Have there been problems in S3 engines? Would S3 pins be safe to use in 968 pistons? This would be very tempting especially if crank balancing is going to give problems. Haven't measured it yet but there is signifficant weight difference in pins. Material is most likely same meaning its possible to calculate saving if someone has number for later pins.
07-12-2007, 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by atb
How would you accomplish lightening the pins without compromising their structural integrity?, hone out the core?
07-12-2007, 07:45 AM
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I would make ROSS send two overnight. There is no reason the pins should be out of weight tolerance by that amount. Sounds like their QC has some real issues.
07-12-2007, 09:41 AM
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I agree with everyone regarding Ross should make things right, if one has the continued time and patience.
My previous-post perspective comes from trying to cut your losses with Ross and get on with the build (..and your life!
), since removing 6 grams from a wrist pin is not a big deal.
Believe me, I feel for ya and what you're going through!
My previous-post perspective comes from trying to cut your losses with Ross and get on with the build (..and your life!
), since removing 6 grams from a wrist pin is not a big deal.Believe me, I feel for ya and what you're going through!
07-12-2007, 04:42 PM
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I would check the scale, or Ross shipped two different pins.
Porsche has many different weight pins that all fit the same pistons. Some are lighter than others by up to 20 grams.
They seem to have gone heavier as the engines hp increased. FYI 944T pins are VERY heavy.
Marc
Porsche has many different weight pins that all fit the same pistons. Some are lighter than others by up to 20 grams.
They seem to have gone heavier as the engines hp increased. FYI 944T pins are VERY heavy.
Marc
08-10-2007, 02:07 PM
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Me: Hey, my machinest says that two of the pins are out of spec.
Ross: Doesn't sound right, have your machinest call.
Machinest: Hey, two of the pins are out of spec.
Ross: Doesn't sound right, send the two pins, plus one that's in spec.
Week later.
Ross:Hey two of the pins are out of spec.
Machinest: You don't say.
Machinest (to Adam): I TOLD you to go with JE.
My machinest said he would call me as soon as he got the pins back and got the bobweight calc'd. It is Seafair around here though, and one of his specialties is building the motors for the open class piston hydros, so two weeks before and a week after he's usually pretty tied up with that stuff.
I can put in a call though.
Ross: Doesn't sound right, have your machinest call.
Machinest: Hey, two of the pins are out of spec.
Ross: Doesn't sound right, send the two pins, plus one that's in spec.
Week later.
Ross:Hey two of the pins are out of spec.
Machinest: You don't say.
Machinest (to Adam): I TOLD you to go with JE.
My machinest said he would call me as soon as he got the pins back and got the bobweight calc'd. It is Seafair around here though, and one of his specialties is building the motors for the open class piston hydros, so two weeks before and a week after he's usually pretty tied up with that stuff.
I can put in a call though.
08-10-2007, 07:00 PM
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The chocolate bunnies have turned into a serious case of indigestion.
I will be very happy when all the parts are done and I can actually start building this beast.
I will be very happy when all the parts are done and I can actually start building this beast.
08-14-2007, 04:44 PM
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You can order pistons "like" these here.
This particular set was ordered with the assistance of Motorsport SLC, who insisted on straightening this mess out, but whom I've told to get back to building motors, restoring 928's, and other important business, and that I'd handle this one. They've made it absolutely clear that they are willing to jump in at any time, but as far as I'm concerned its not their issue.
Pistons can be ordered directly from ROSS.
This particular set was ordered with the assistance of Motorsport SLC, who insisted on straightening this mess out, but whom I've told to get back to building motors, restoring 928's, and other important business, and that I'd handle this one. They've made it absolutely clear that they are willing to jump in at any time, but as far as I'm concerned its not their issue.
Pistons can be ordered directly from ROSS.
08-15-2007, 12:16 AM
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Actually, it was kind of a joke.
If you click on the word "here", it's a link to JE pistons.
If you want ROSS, click on this.
Note that my ROSS pistons, although coated, cannot be run in the alusil bore. I will be nikasil coating the cylinder bores before using the ROSS pistons.
If you click on the word "here", it's a link to JE pistons.
If you want ROSS, click on this.
Note that my ROSS pistons, although coated, cannot be run in the alusil bore. I will be nikasil coating the cylinder bores before using the ROSS pistons.