Z06/C5 vs 928...FACTS
03-11-2003, 04:39 PM
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John, just have them look up the results from last years Laguna SCCA SPEED WC event. I beat the nor cal SCCA champion driving a ZO6 2002 , professioally prepared, with my old 928S4 with some headers.
The cars were dead even on the straights, with the edge going to the 425est. hp of theZ06. If the cars were so much better, why did i win??
worst case, the cars are pretty equal, with the edge going to the Z06 cause its newer!
MK
QUOTE]Originally posted by John:
<strong>Well guys, there has been a lot going back and forth about the C5 and Z06 Corvettes as to how much faster they are than a 928. I checked some of the magazines I have and found the following:
C5 in Road and Track:
3230 lbs
345 HP
0-60 MPH: 4.8 seconds
1/4 mile: 13.3 sec @ 108 MPH
Top end 172 MPH
Z06 in Motor Trend 2/02 (we all know these guys foreign car bash)
0-60 MPH: 4.1 sec
1/4 mile: 12.48 @ 114.9 MPH
Z06 in Road and Track 3/02
3120 lbs
405 HP
0-60 4.7 sec
1/4 mile 13.1 @ 111 MPH
Top end 171 MPH
1987 928 S4 in Road and Track 3/87
3525 lbs
0-60 MPH: 5.5 sec
1/4 mile 13.9 @ 101 MPH
Top end: 165 MPH
Twin Turbo 928 "Bastard"
Est 360-400 crank HP
0-60 5.5 sec
1/4 mile 13.6 @ 114 MPH
Top End: Unknown, runs out of 5th at 165 MPH at the redline (based on the gear chart.)
Seeing as the GTS has quite a few more ponies than the S4, I would guess it is every bit as fast as a C5 as some on here claim it is. Quite frankly, I believe Drew's story of pulling one on the highway with his 1984 Euro S. You can bet the guy was trying too.
As for a Devek stroker kit, well my money would be on the 6.5 liter 928 as it leaves the Z06 in its wake to a top end of over 180 MPH. The White car (as it is called) has acheived a top end of 212 MPH with 6.5 normally aspirated liters of displacement. HP is 432 at the rear wheels with 472 lb-ft of torque. Let's not even talk about 6.5 liters of turbocharged 928 power, since we know 4.5 liters of turbocharged power can make close to 400 crank HP, the proof sits in my garage.
So Carlos, where does this Z06 pride come from? The real numbers are above. None of the road tests show this car doing high 11 seconds at over 120 MPH through a 1/4 mile, that is plain hogwash, drag strip chest beating BS.
Don't get me wrong, the Z06 is a very, very fast car, but it would appear as though the Bastard is swingin' more than enough meat to give it a good run, say from 40 MPH to 150 MPH. I would also bet a GTS could easily run with a C5 out on the highway. The Euro S cars made just 10 or so less HP than the 32V S4 "world engine", so why isn't it possible one could run with a C5?
Also remember, the new Vettes ride on HUGE rubber, much larger than the Sharks ever had. My performance figures were with 225/50 ZR 16 Dunlop SP 8000s on stock wheels and sport suspension.
Do you think I might be faster, say on 275 mm wide tires? As usual, facts talk and BS walks. My car only generates 2 psig of boost in 1st gear, meaning I don't put down all my HP until 2nd and 3rd gears. The 928 was and still is a hell of a machine and is enough of threat to pleanty of new high performance stuff out there.</strong>[/QUOTE]
The cars were dead even on the straights, with the edge going to the 425est. hp of theZ06. If the cars were so much better, why did i win??
worst case, the cars are pretty equal, with the edge going to the Z06 cause its newer!
MK
QUOTE]Originally posted by John:
<strong>Well guys, there has been a lot going back and forth about the C5 and Z06 Corvettes as to how much faster they are than a 928. I checked some of the magazines I have and found the following:
C5 in Road and Track:
3230 lbs
345 HP
0-60 MPH: 4.8 seconds
1/4 mile: 13.3 sec @ 108 MPH
Top end 172 MPH
Z06 in Motor Trend 2/02 (we all know these guys foreign car bash)
0-60 MPH: 4.1 sec
1/4 mile: 12.48 @ 114.9 MPH
Z06 in Road and Track 3/02
3120 lbs
405 HP
0-60 4.7 sec
1/4 mile 13.1 @ 111 MPH
Top end 171 MPH
1987 928 S4 in Road and Track 3/87
3525 lbs
0-60 MPH: 5.5 sec
1/4 mile 13.9 @ 101 MPH
Top end: 165 MPH
Twin Turbo 928 "Bastard"
Est 360-400 crank HP
0-60 5.5 sec
1/4 mile 13.6 @ 114 MPH
Top End: Unknown, runs out of 5th at 165 MPH at the redline (based on the gear chart.)
Seeing as the GTS has quite a few more ponies than the S4, I would guess it is every bit as fast as a C5 as some on here claim it is. Quite frankly, I believe Drew's story of pulling one on the highway with his 1984 Euro S. You can bet the guy was trying too.
As for a Devek stroker kit, well my money would be on the 6.5 liter 928 as it leaves the Z06 in its wake to a top end of over 180 MPH. The White car (as it is called) has acheived a top end of 212 MPH with 6.5 normally aspirated liters of displacement. HP is 432 at the rear wheels with 472 lb-ft of torque. Let's not even talk about 6.5 liters of turbocharged 928 power, since we know 4.5 liters of turbocharged power can make close to 400 crank HP, the proof sits in my garage.
So Carlos, where does this Z06 pride come from? The real numbers are above. None of the road tests show this car doing high 11 seconds at over 120 MPH through a 1/4 mile, that is plain hogwash, drag strip chest beating BS.
Don't get me wrong, the Z06 is a very, very fast car, but it would appear as though the Bastard is swingin' more than enough meat to give it a good run, say from 40 MPH to 150 MPH. I would also bet a GTS could easily run with a C5 out on the highway. The Euro S cars made just 10 or so less HP than the 32V S4 "world engine", so why isn't it possible one could run with a C5?
Also remember, the new Vettes ride on HUGE rubber, much larger than the Sharks ever had. My performance figures were with 225/50 ZR 16 Dunlop SP 8000s on stock wheels and sport suspension.
Do you think I might be faster, say on 275 mm wide tires? As usual, facts talk and BS walks. My car only generates 2 psig of boost in 1st gear, meaning I don't put down all my HP until 2nd and 3rd gears. The 928 was and still is a hell of a machine and is enough of threat to pleanty of new high performance stuff out there.</strong>[/QUOTE]
03-12-2003, 11:53 AM
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I have an opportunity to put a C5 against my S2, on the track at Firebird Int. Raceway come April 4th-6th.
<a href="http://www.proautosports.com/schedule.html" target="_blank">http://www.proautosports.com/schedule.html</a>
So, we'll see. My friend Todd S. owns the C5 and he's a course official (like myself) for Pro Auto Sport. We just recently met, within the club, so we're going to have a little fun.
FireBirds East track is quite fun, almost an autocross course with the longest straight being (I guess) a 1/4 mile.
We'll be taking pictures and MPEG for those who wish to see this blessed event!
TIA
BTW - The edge goes to Todd. His 5 spd against my 4 Spd. Any friendly bets?.
<a href="http://www.proautosports.com/schedule.html" target="_blank">http://www.proautosports.com/schedule.html</a>
So, we'll see. My friend Todd S. owns the C5 and he's a course official (like myself) for Pro Auto Sport. We just recently met, within the club, so we're going to have a little fun.
FireBirds East track is quite fun, almost an autocross course with the longest straight being (I guess) a 1/4 mile.
We'll be taking pictures and MPEG for those who wish to see this blessed event!
TIA
BTW - The edge goes to Todd. His 5 spd against my 4 Spd. Any friendly bets?.
03-12-2003, 12:54 PM
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On the track, you had better be the superior driver. Those C5s handle well, but I would not put it past a good 928 with driver to beat the C5. It all boils down to driver skill and sack.
03-12-2003, 05:00 PM
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John, in responsee to the post on page 4, a 2.8 anything better have more boost than the space shuttle to run with a z06.
Mark, whoever ran that 13.1 in the Z06 must have never driven a stick shift before. With a set of drag radials they go 11.30s. Don't believe me, take "the bastard" to the track & see. Bring a hanky. As far as being even, if a old "928S4 with some headers" ran step for step with a "professionally prepared" Z06, it should do the same with 993/996 TTs cause theose cars are about equal too.
Mark, whoever ran that 13.1 in the Z06 must have never driven a stick shift before. With a set of drag radials they go 11.30s. Don't believe me, take "the bastard" to the track & see. Bring a hanky. As far as being even, if a old "928S4 with some headers" ran step for step with a "professionally prepared" Z06, it should do the same with 993/996 TTs cause theose cars are about equal too.
03-12-2003, 06:00 PM
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The Z06 makes 400+ HP.
A well prepared 928 engine can make a lot more power...like 400 at the wheels.
The 928 is heavier but with more power it can be made just as fast.
Suspension work can be done and Big red brakes can be installed.
I'd say the car doesn't need boost, just a 6+ liter 928 engine is enough to make all the power you need.
Like I have told you 100 times before Carlos, you won't see the Bastard at the strip. Why waste my time on a race which requires minimal skill and beats up my driveline?
If it was straight line I wanted, I would buy a bike.
A well prepared 928 engine can make a lot more power...like 400 at the wheels.
The 928 is heavier but with more power it can be made just as fast.
Suspension work can be done and Big red brakes can be installed.
I'd say the car doesn't need boost, just a 6+ liter 928 engine is enough to make all the power you need.
Like I have told you 100 times before Carlos, you won't see the Bastard at the strip. Why waste my time on a race which requires minimal skill and beats up my driveline?
If it was straight line I wanted, I would buy a bike.
03-12-2003, 08:17 PM
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In a straight line a Z06 will beat most cars, on the track, different story.
Whats the formula?. Mass*Velocity*weight=#. - You can only go so fast into a corner.
Proof positive at my last Track Event with Professional Auto Sport. I was tailing a Z06 with my buddys 220hP Mustang LX 5.0 X-DPS Car. The vette would gain on the straight but I caught up to him in the corners and s turns. I was on his *** until he went off the track on turn 10. He was trying to "walk" but all he did was loose control.
BTW - My Friends cop car has slicks, short throw shifter, suspension work. The rest is stock.
I used to have the same mentality that the more HP the better, Not so. Perfect Example, the Acura NSX. With Slicks I bet it would go a little quicker.
<a href="http://www.allcars.org/car.html?id=8" target="_blank">http://www.allcars.org/car.html?id=8</a>
Whats the formula?. Mass*Velocity*weight=#. - You can only go so fast into a corner.
Proof positive at my last Track Event with Professional Auto Sport. I was tailing a Z06 with my buddys 220hP Mustang LX 5.0 X-DPS Car. The vette would gain on the straight but I caught up to him in the corners and s turns. I was on his *** until he went off the track on turn 10. He was trying to "walk" but all he did was loose control.
BTW - My Friends cop car has slicks, short throw shifter, suspension work. The rest is stock.
I used to have the same mentality that the more HP the better, Not so. Perfect Example, the Acura NSX. With Slicks I bet it would go a little quicker.
<a href="http://www.allcars.org/car.html?id=8" target="_blank">http://www.allcars.org/car.html?id=8</a>
03-12-2003, 09:54 PM
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I think like the stripped down 928 racers, the NSX racers who race in the corvette/mustang/camaro dominated series, are required to add an ungodly amount of weight to their cars to meet the "minimums". Let us not forget also, how the Audi's dominated all the racing series until 4wd was banned... I say, if it works, let them use it... It will improve cars overall, and make the other manufacturers raise the bar to compete...
03-12-2003, 11:41 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by bcdavis:
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But this one is much more impressive to watch.
VERY cool! Can you say "power" steering?
<a href="http://motorcyclemonkey.com/dirk/busa/images/coolstuff/coolvideos/supra.mpeg" target="_blank">Crazy Supra</a></strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Holy ****! That guy's got ***** of steel.
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But this one is much more impressive to watch.
VERY cool! Can you say "power" steering?
<a href="http://motorcyclemonkey.com/dirk/busa/images/coolstuff/coolvideos/supra.mpeg" target="_blank">Crazy Supra</a></strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Holy ****! That guy's got ***** of steel.
03-13-2003, 01:12 AM
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In a non real-world the c-5 would probably win. I was in my cousins c-5 and after a long ride, I needed to make a dentist appointment to replace my fillings in my teeth. We always try to race each other and the result was, in a straight stretch I have to give it to the c-5, not that it blew my doors off but it was quicker. Now for high speed stability, cornering and over all feel I have to give it to the 928. I don't know about you but where I live my pavement is not exactly smooth, one little bump in the road and the c-5 has problems keeping in line where as I can drive at high speeds with one hand. Sal
03-13-2003, 01:17 PM
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Why bother? Who really cares? I drive my car because I enjoy it, not just to take it to some 1/4 mile shootout.
As for an old 928 hanging with a new 996 TT. Well, let me tell you Carlos, it is entirely possible....and can probably be done for 1/2 the money of the 996 TT.
As for an old 928 hanging with a new 996 TT. Well, let me tell you Carlos, it is entirely possible....and can probably be done for 1/2 the money of the 996 TT.