When you click on links to various merchants on this site and make a purchase, this can result in this site earning a commission. Affiliate programs and affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network.
they all slipped back to a D collectability rating again.
I consider SCM collectibility ratings the way I consider Olympic ice skating scores: Subjective.
At least they show some significant median price increases in the far right column. I don't have the individual data points to be able to calculate regression lines, but the BAT data provides some general 7 year trends. I think the most interesting graph is the 80-84s, that looks to have the most consistent uptrend - roughly a 2 to 2.5 fold increase in median sale price.
1978-79:
1980-1984:
1985-1986:
1987-1989:
1990-1991:
1992:1995:
Last edited by Rob Edwards; 12-22-2022 at 01:04 PM.
When talking about collectibility, there are markets within markets. There's the car market as a whole, there is the broader Porsche market, there is the 928 market, and then you get into the segmentation between model years, rare option codes, etc. It would be impossible for anyone to be an expert on everything, and I think SCM might be better at interpreting the trajectory of the collector car market, or even the Porsche market, but certainly not the 928 market (despite the fact that Keith owned one - that doesn't make one an expert). As drooman mentioned, SCM's content seems to be aimed at a broad audience with little attention to nuance, and that's evident in attempting to broadly categorize the collectibility of a car that was in production for 18 years with many variants, all of which have different appeal and desirability.
Last edited by Range Rover; 12-22-2022 at 01:22 PM.
Here are the definitions from the price guide:
I don't think any variant of the 928 falls into a D category. It won COTY for goodness sakes. It was an amazing car at launch, and the buzz of the automotive world. This is a head scratcher because Martin's publications and data are generally pretty good.
Ed, I know you have alot of respect for SCM, but those grade definitions are just plain lousy.
Originally Posted by linderpat
Here are the definitions from the price guide:
I don't think any variant of the 928 falls into a D category. It won COTY for goodness sakes. It was an amazing car at launch, and the buzz of the automotive world. This is a head scratcher because Martin's publications and data are generally pretty good.
Investment Grade: " not a value appreciation guide, rather an overall ranking of the desirability of the car, regardless of market conditions" If it's not about market conditions why is this called "investment grade"? Can someone at SCM explain what "ranking of overall desirability" means?
Grade A "....style, performance, historical significance, rarity AND competition history..." Includes Mercedes Benz 300SC roadster: never in competition, hardly "performance" I've driven these cars. This category very much looks reflective of "market conditions" to me.
Grade B: "....Cars that have something "special" about them... ...technical innovation, style or competition provence, but not all three...generally produced in larger numbers..." Includes Austin Healey 100-4 and 512 BB. I suppose those two cars could fit into that category, but so could a 928 and about 200 other cars, as a car would only have to have two of the "special" attributes of "style" "innovation" or "competition" (that would also include a Mercedes 300SC roadster.)
Grade C: "..... cars that have some inherent interest but had few special or desirable characteristics" Includes Boxster, saab sonnet 2, and triumph TR4. Just so we're clear these cars are represented as "more collectable" in the "ranking of overall desirability" than a 928 or a ferrari 400i, (though I'm still not sure what that means)
Grade D: "had the potential to be interesting but failed to be successful in the collector car marketplace due to design engineering and styling flaws" Includes Ferrari 400 2+2. Saab sonnet 2 anyone? AND 928 could have been said to "fail" in the collector car market for years, until they didn't, 914 951 long nose 911 (until they didn't) and g series 911 (till they didn't)
Grade F: " cars with few or any redeeming characteristics ...hopeless in every way." Includes Alfetta sedan , Jaguar Mark 9 sedan (isn't this called "sports" car market?)
This ^^^^. is the Sh*t pushed out by 99% of automotive media now. The best I can come up with to make sense out of this is that there's some formula that includes price point (but not market conditions), number of cars made, then combined with the audience of various socio economic levels of buyers who may desire a given car.... maybe?
Or its just the cars that Keith likes disguised as a congressional report.
I have no idea why you guys would give this guide a second thought. It's BS and not worthy of being in this discussion. Nuff Said!
As a rule I choose to associate with credible people and have quite a few serious collectors of Ferrari, Porsche and Mercedes that I hang out with on a regular basis at our cars-n-coffee events.
The level of respect for 928's has gone parabolic and interest in the 928 is at an all time high.
The thread is "What are the 10 most sought after 928's". My personal list looks like this and I'm refining it as we go...
1. A 1995 GTS 5-speed with no rub rails, sport seats and lots of leather with low, low miles.
2. Any Prototype ranging from the pre-production press cars to the prototype GTE, Club Sports and SE's.
3. Club Sports.
4. Sport Equipment (SE's).
5. XX8 GT's.
6. Other GTS 5-speeds.
7. The 89 GT's and 90 & 91 GT's.
8. Any ultra low mile 928 with a 5-speed followed by the automatics.
9. Hyper developed special performance cars.
10 Significant race cars with history.
Of course every 928 with an owner that loves his car makes the favorite car list.
Another press car choice! Good call! Don't know but it looks fast standing still even without a driver! Great color combination - but I'd put those manholes on the shelf in favor of Cup One's... Where is the rest of your top 10? ;-)
Originally Posted by 8cyl
I want the 1980 silver 928S promo shot car with the lobster red interior. Where is it!?
I have no idea why you guys would give this guide a second thought. It's BS and not worthy of being in this discussion. Nuff Said!
As a rule I choose to associate with credible people and have quite a few serious collectors of Ferrari, Porsche and Mercedes that I hang out with on a regular basis at our cars-n-coffee events.
The level of respect for 928's has gone parabolic and interest in the 928 is at an all time high.
The thread is "What are the 10 most sought after 928's". My personal list looks like this and I'm refining it as we go...
1. A 1995 GTS 5-speed with no rub rails, sport seats and lots of leather with low, low miles.
2. Any Prototype ranging from the pre-production press cars to the prototype GTE, Club Sports and SE's.
3. Club Sports.
4. Sport Equipment (SE's).
5. XX8 GT's.
6. Other GTS 5-speeds.
7. The 89 GT's and 90 & 91 GT's.
8. Any ultra low mile 928 with a 5-speed followed by the automatics.
9. Hyper developed special performance cars.
10 Significant race cars with history.
Of course every 928 with an owner that loves his car makes the favorite car list.
I call out SCM in the way I did because it was these types (Automotive media with an established large audience) that dissed the 928 for decades using bias and sheer ignorance about the cars as their "reasoning." It happens a lot less than it used to but when it does I call it out, especially when their stated "system" does not make any sense to anyone who really reads it.
12-22-2022, 10:28 AM
