Drunken Shop Owner Totals My Car!!!!!
06-05-2007, 03:18 PM
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Update
I did speak with my insurance broker Leland West & have an agreed value policy for $23 K on the car.
They are in contact with the insurance company I'm actually insured with and the shop owners insurer.
The shop owner uses a local agent & I spoke with the agent, he said his job was to insure stupidity and way very pleased I have an agreed value policy.
Also it would be the amount I get paid plus and deductible since it wasnt my fault.
Up here in the sticks it is really big news and has been on the local radio and in the papers.
So when I called a heavy duty lawyer who I used to close on my house many years ago (when he was just starting out) he had already heard of it on the morning news.
After mentioning all the time and effort put into the car, the extra non insured items ( like the GTS wheels), the increasing value of the car, and my stress and the actions of the shop owner, he said there was potential.
Thanks for all the input, I'm going to print out the thread and go over it with the lawyer.
Tom
PS. I did get some images & will try and post them.
They are in contact with the insurance company I'm actually insured with and the shop owners insurer.
The shop owner uses a local agent & I spoke with the agent, he said his job was to insure stupidity and way very pleased I have an agreed value policy.
Also it would be the amount I get paid plus and deductible since it wasnt my fault.
Up here in the sticks it is really big news and has been on the local radio and in the papers.
So when I called a heavy duty lawyer who I used to close on my house many years ago (when he was just starting out) he had already heard of it on the morning news.
After mentioning all the time and effort put into the car, the extra non insured items ( like the GTS wheels), the increasing value of the car, and my stress and the actions of the shop owner, he said there was potential.
Thanks for all the input, I'm going to print out the thread and go over it with the lawyer.
Tom
PS. I did get some images & will try and post them.
06-05-2007, 04:04 PM
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Tom,
I called Richard Sloan (sloancars com) and asked him if he can locate a car similar to yours. He knows a guy in Florida with a 1987-88 928S4 with 19-22k miles, immaculate condition with perfect original paint, 10k in recent maintenance, asking $35k.
I called Richard Sloan (sloancars com) and asked him if he can locate a car similar to yours. He knows a guy in Florida with a 1987-88 928S4 with 19-22k miles, immaculate condition with perfect original paint, 10k in recent maintenance, asking $35k.
06-05-2007, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Bearwme
It sounds like this shop owner needs the AA 12 step program. Hopefully, he will make it to the 9th step and make amends for harming you. We are all assuming that he is the lowest scum on earth, but he may turn out to be a stand up guy and take responsibility for his actions.
We are all feeling your pain. Donald Howanitz made a huge mistake. And he is going to pay for it.
You should be able to pick any car you want as a replacement.
We are all feeling your pain. Donald Howanitz made a huge mistake. And he is going to pay for it.
You should be able to pick any car you want as a replacement.
06-05-2007, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 944 guy
Nah, he's no standup guy. IMO drunk drivers should all be shot, it's one of the most dangerous things you can do on the road, and with a battleship such as the 928, you'll do some REAL damage if you hit another object.
I've done some drunk driving, sometimes when I was drunk enough to not remember it but noticed that I woke up some place and my car was parked outside. I regret them all and hope that I haven't done any damage - I honestly don't know. It's been some time now since I had any alcohol enter my system.
Comments like yours do not only present yourself as a fool, but it has the potential to spread to other 944-owners since you call yourself a 944-guy.
Or is it perhaps possible that you posted something that you will not stand up to? In that case I recommend that you crawl back under the rock you came from and let your 28 posts die alone.
06-05-2007, 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by sweanders
Will you be the one who assists in shooting me?
I've done some drunk driving, sometimes when I was drunk enough to not remember it but noticed that I woke up some place and my car was parked outside. I regret them all and hope that I haven't done any damage - I honestly don't know. It's been some time now since I had any alcohol enter my system.
Comments like yours do not only present yourself as a fool, but it has the potential to spread to other 944-owners since you call yourself a 944-guy.
Or is it perhaps possible that you posted something that you will not stand up to? In that case I recommend that you crawl back under the rock you came from and let your 28 posts die alone.
I've done some drunk driving, sometimes when I was drunk enough to not remember it but noticed that I woke up some place and my car was parked outside. I regret them all and hope that I haven't done any damage - I honestly don't know. It's been some time now since I had any alcohol enter my system.
Comments like yours do not only present yourself as a fool, but it has the potential to spread to other 944-owners since you call yourself a 944-guy.
Or is it perhaps possible that you posted something that you will not stand up to? In that case I recommend that you crawl back under the rock you came from and let your 28 posts die alone.
06-05-2007, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Anders
......I recommend that you crawl back under the rock you came from and let your 28 posts die alone.
Since I'm in the same catagory as Anders I can't throw stones anyway.
06-05-2007, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 944 guy
Nah, he's no standup guy. IMO drunk drivers should all be shot, it's one of the most dangerous things you can do on the road, and with a battleship such as the 928, you'll do some REAL damage if you hit another object.
Ignore list he goes.
06-05-2007, 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SeanR
This post just reaks of someone who is lonely and looking to start crap....
Ignore list he goes.
Ignore list he goes.
06-06-2007, 12:10 AM
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It occurs to me that however heinous drunk driving is, (and it IS heinous, and I detest it because I have come close to death twice at the hands of drunk drivers), a man/woman who realizes his/her mistake and resolves to end such behavior should be respected. I once met a man in the pool at the hotel where I stayed at a Porsche Parade. He told me he was a drug counselor and helped people turn their lives around. He was immensely successful if I could believe his description of his work. He also told me he was once strung out on drugs, alcohol and self destructive habits of all sorts. It was a miracle that he never killed himself or others. He said one day he simply took responsibility for his errors, and committed to never live that way again. He also decided to help others do the same. If someone had shot him, he would never have helped anyone else ever. I shook his hand. I admire his courage to admit his mistakes and change his world and other's world also.
I also have a friend who is a traffic safety expert/counselor. He tells me it is not the occasional drinker that kills people. It is the habitual drunk. The alcoholic. The person who swears to others and himself that he doesn't have a problem. He is the one who thinks he is not impaired when he gets behind the wheel, because he is always drunk. That is his normal state of mind. And he is the one who is let off time and time again to go out and ram someone's life into history. The courts should rule heavily against this kind of individual my friend says. The occasional drinker is likely to KNOW he is impaired when he steps out of the bar and often won't get behind the wheel because of it. He is not the problem. How does this concern me? I too fear driving on holidays because of all the binge drinking. But really I fear it because I have two strikes against my luck, (see above). One of those strikes was at the hand of a woman who police described as the "town drunk"; they would arrest her and the court would let her out again the next day so she could resume drinking and driving. The perfect example of what my friend described as the real problem. The other was at the hands of a Superior Court judge who also fit the description of that problem drinker. Two strikes too many if you ask me.
But if both of them swore off booze, I would help them to stay off before I would shoot them. They could be most effective at turning people's lives around, just like my friend at the Porsche Parade.
I also have a friend who is a traffic safety expert/counselor. He tells me it is not the occasional drinker that kills people. It is the habitual drunk. The alcoholic. The person who swears to others and himself that he doesn't have a problem. He is the one who thinks he is not impaired when he gets behind the wheel, because he is always drunk. That is his normal state of mind. And he is the one who is let off time and time again to go out and ram someone's life into history. The courts should rule heavily against this kind of individual my friend says. The occasional drinker is likely to KNOW he is impaired when he steps out of the bar and often won't get behind the wheel because of it. He is not the problem. How does this concern me? I too fear driving on holidays because of all the binge drinking. But really I fear it because I have two strikes against my luck, (see above). One of those strikes was at the hand of a woman who police described as the "town drunk"; they would arrest her and the court would let her out again the next day so she could resume drinking and driving. The perfect example of what my friend described as the real problem. The other was at the hands of a Superior Court judge who also fit the description of that problem drinker. Two strikes too many if you ask me.
But if both of them swore off booze, I would help them to stay off before I would shoot them. They could be most effective at turning people's lives around, just like my friend at the Porsche Parade.
06-06-2007, 01:46 AM
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OUCH! That's one of the worst "it was only a short test drive..." stories I've ever heard. My condolences.
On another note, you're welcome to borrow any rope or "persuasion tools" you might need.
On another note, you're welcome to borrow any rope or "persuasion tools" you might need.
06-06-2007, 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Lord_Galva
Whoa man, calm down. People are intitled to their opinions. I also fear for my life when I have to drive on holidays. There is nothing wrong with drinking but driving after blacking out? I've never heard of that. Just be safe and drive hard.
Just to clarify - I think that drunk driving is a very bad thing to do, and a crime that shall not go unpunished! Killing of the drunk drivers might be a bit extreme though..
It is a shame that the shop owner crashed that car and I would be furious if it was my car.
People do change however, and I hope that this accident is a turning point for him. Something good can come from this, and a car can be replaced with something better. No need in ending the fools life - because a fool he is or he wouldn't do such a stupid thing. He might change though, and carry the memory of this episode with him as experience, something that can be used to help others stay away from such accidents.
Who has not done stupid things? I would think that most people have done stupid things and most of us have been lucky enough that nothing bad happened.
06-06-2007, 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by sweanders
I've done some drunk driving, sometimes when I was drunk enough to not remember it but noticed that I woke up some place and my car was parked outside. I regret them all and hope that I haven't done any damage - I honestly don't know. It's been some time now since I had any alcohol enter my system.
Comments like yours do not only present yourself as a fool, but it has the potential to spread to other 944-owners since you call yourself a 944-guy.
Or is it perhaps possible that you posted something that you will not stand up to? In that case I recommend that you crawl back under the rock you came from and let your 28 posts die alone.
Comments like yours do not only present yourself as a fool, but it has the potential to spread to other 944-owners since you call yourself a 944-guy.
Or is it perhaps possible that you posted something that you will not stand up to? In that case I recommend that you crawl back under the rock you came from and let your 28 posts die alone.
I truly do hope you regret those little experiences you post there and you must be insanely lucky that you didn't wrap yourself around a tree at least once. If I would encounter such a person on the road, I'd at least steal his keys and give him my number so he can call me back when he's sober. Perhaps this is just strong talk because one would probably never have such an oppertunity, but I myself have never driven with more than 1 beer in my system, and I know that I never will. And I would DEFINATELY restrain my friends if they want to leave in a car, all drunk, I'd either pay their taxi or bring them home myself if I'm ok to drive. I've had my share of biking home nice and drunk, and I have the scars to prove it. On a bike you don't hurt anybody but yourself, and maybe your pride. With a car you have a 1.5 ton projectile, I'll leave those consequences to your imagination.
Drunkdriving and tailgating are simply THE most dangerous things one can do on the road. As a test: you should go go-karting with some friends, then down 3 or 4 beers, and go at it again for 2 more heats. That happened once when I went go-karting (some folks started drinking in between, I just had a coke) and it went from curteous driving before, to insane driving after (blocking, bumping, ramming), that was already an experience I didn't really enjoy, I'd prefer not to experience that in a car. In the end the only way you could pass was rear-end a drunk while he was braking for a turn.
Take an example of Ron_H, he displays perfectly how to engage in an argument when opinions differ. Your namecalling only makes your position more precarious, and it sure didn't convince me. Ron has a good point, and he brings it properly. The fact that some of you would then consider putting me on the ignore list shows that you would not bother to confront the problem and the discussion, it's an easy out instead of taking 5 minutes like Ron did.
06-06-2007, 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by 944 guy
I like how you can break down my personality based on 2 sentences, and that you let it spread to people that own the same car that may not be anything like me, good judge of character!
I truly do hope you regret those little experiences you post there and you must be insanely lucky that you didn't wrap yourself around a tree at least once. If I would encounter such a person on the road, I'd at least steal his keys and give him my number so he can call me back when he's sober. Perhaps this is just strong talk because one would probably never have such an oppertunity, but I myself have never driven with more than 1 beer in my system, and I know that I never will. And I would DEFINATELY restrain my friends if they want to leave in a car, all drunk, I'd either pay their taxi or bring them home myself if I'm ok to drive. I've had my share of biking home nice and drunk, and I have the scars to prove it. On a bike you don't hurt anybody but yourself, and maybe your pride. With a car you have a 1.5 ton projectile, I'll leave those consequences to your imagination.
Drunkdriving and tailgating are simply THE most dangerous things one can do on the road. As a test: you should go go-karting with some friends, then down 3 or 4 beers, and go at it again for 2 more heats. That happened once when I went go-karting (some folks started drinking in between, I just had a coke) and it went from curteous driving before, to insane driving after (blocking, bumping, ramming), that was already an experience I didn't really enjoy, I'd prefer not to experience that in a car. In the end the only way you could pass was rear-end a drunk while he was braking for a turn.
Take an example of Ron_H, he displays perfectly how to engage in an argument when opinions differ. Your namecalling only makes your position more precarious, and it sure didn't convince me. Ron has a good point, and he brings it properly.
I truly do hope you regret those little experiences you post there and you must be insanely lucky that you didn't wrap yourself around a tree at least once. If I would encounter such a person on the road, I'd at least steal his keys and give him my number so he can call me back when he's sober. Perhaps this is just strong talk because one would probably never have such an oppertunity, but I myself have never driven with more than 1 beer in my system, and I know that I never will. And I would DEFINATELY restrain my friends if they want to leave in a car, all drunk, I'd either pay their taxi or bring them home myself if I'm ok to drive. I've had my share of biking home nice and drunk, and I have the scars to prove it. On a bike you don't hurt anybody but yourself, and maybe your pride. With a car you have a 1.5 ton projectile, I'll leave those consequences to your imagination.
Drunkdriving and tailgating are simply THE most dangerous things one can do on the road. As a test: you should go go-karting with some friends, then down 3 or 4 beers, and go at it again for 2 more heats. That happened once when I went go-karting (some folks started drinking in between, I just had a coke) and it went from curteous driving before, to insane driving after (blocking, bumping, ramming), that was already an experience I didn't really enjoy, I'd prefer not to experience that in a car. In the end the only way you could pass was rear-end a drunk while he was braking for a turn.
Take an example of Ron_H, he displays perfectly how to engage in an argument when opinions differ. Your namecalling only makes your position more precarious, and it sure didn't convince me. Ron has a good point, and he brings it properly.
Taking someones keys is a lot better way of stopping someone from driving than shooting the person..
Btw, I own two 944's..
The difference between me and Ron in this case is that he met people that are doing their best to help others recover from alcohol problems while I am one of those people with alcohol problems who is trying to help others. I'll speak more with Ron next time I meet him about this since it is an interesting subject. I have been dealing with my problems since almost two years now and my life is constantly getting better.
Saying that all drunk drivers should be shot will not take care of the problem. You can ask anyone with alcohol problems and they will agree that it is stupid to drive while drunk. If you'd ask me while I was driving drunk I'd agree. But remember - alcohol does not make anyone intelligent..
I am very happy that I did not kill myself or anyone else, but you know - that really has nothing to do with it.