Fate of 'The White GTS'...
01-09-2003, 12:25 AM
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Marc,
As far as the white GTS is concerned, I will stand by what I said in my previous thread. Responding to your recent comments on this topic will only have me repeating myself. I will add that I have known Eric for less than a year. I have had no "personal" issues with the man.
I did a little searching and had a hard time finding marc@devek posts that did not make some attempt to promote a product or a service. I did find one interesting post that called out marc@devek for spamming the list
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Or how 'bout this:
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where would the market be now? No power benchmarks, no focus on dyno verification, no reliability testing, no stroker kits, no header and exhasut kits, no 5.45, 6.0 and 6.5l strokers, no big wheels or big brake kits or 200 mph 928's..and $700 used armrests. Want proof...look at a 928 catalog from 1994, (other 928 specific suppliers were in business for over 6 years at that point) and show me what there was from a performance product standpoint ..."nothing" ..DEVEK went full time in 1995....why not give some credit where it is due?
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You remember that post Marc - you just made it!!
I have no issues with DEVEK. I am a customer of DEVEK's. The company is professional, courteous and the pricing is very reasonable. I DO have a problem with someone who jumps into a conversation EVERYTIME with a business card waving in the air.
Maybe I'm alone here but I don't want or need a 200mph 928. Its fun to read about it in a magazine but I, like many others here, need technical assistance to keep these cars on the road.
Marc, your probably a very good authority on the 928 - probably a really good one. It would be really cool if you spent some time helping us blokes keep our sharks running instead of constantly telling everyone how cool your stroker engines are.
Do us all a favour and buy a banner or something.
And no, your posts should read more like 1000, not 110.
As far as the white GTS is concerned, I will stand by what I said in my previous thread. Responding to your recent comments on this topic will only have me repeating myself. I will add that I have known Eric for less than a year. I have had no "personal" issues with the man.
I did a little searching and had a hard time finding marc@devek posts that did not make some attempt to promote a product or a service. I did find one interesting post that called out marc@devek for spamming the list
<a href="http://forums.rennlist.com/cgi-bin/rennforums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=14;t=001381#000003" target="_blank">http://forums.rennlist.com/cgi-bin/rennforums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=14;t=001381#000003</a>
Or how 'bout this:
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where would the market be now? No power benchmarks, no focus on dyno verification, no reliability testing, no stroker kits, no header and exhasut kits, no 5.45, 6.0 and 6.5l strokers, no big wheels or big brake kits or 200 mph 928's..and $700 used armrests. Want proof...look at a 928 catalog from 1994, (other 928 specific suppliers were in business for over 6 years at that point) and show me what there was from a performance product standpoint ..."nothing" ..DEVEK went full time in 1995....why not give some credit where it is due?
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You remember that post Marc - you just made it!!
I have no issues with DEVEK. I am a customer of DEVEK's. The company is professional, courteous and the pricing is very reasonable. I DO have a problem with someone who jumps into a conversation EVERYTIME with a business card waving in the air.
Maybe I'm alone here but I don't want or need a 200mph 928. Its fun to read about it in a magazine but I, like many others here, need technical assistance to keep these cars on the road.
Marc, your probably a very good authority on the 928 - probably a really good one. It would be really cool if you spent some time helping us blokes keep our sharks running instead of constantly telling everyone how cool your stroker engines are.
Do us all a favour and buy a banner or something.
And no, your posts should read more like 1000, not 110.
01-09-2003, 12:26 AM
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Marc,
Have yet to deal with you guy's as a customer, plan to change that in the future.
On this topic:
1. I do not believe in the buyer beware disclaimer.
For anything!
2. I do believe that the highway to hell is paved with good intentions. Point of fact, there is a modest number of people out there who after fair warning from me went on to cause me grief of varying degrees due to assisting, or, otherwise helping me without my knowledge or approval.
After one of MY 'pointed' fair warnings all of these individuals used a variant of the reknowned;
"I'm sorry, I was only trying to help" excuse.
Some of you would no doubt recommend me to a short tour of the County Jail, and extensive Anger Management Classes. All violaters were physically, trashed.
My point is that at times I had to use negative re-enforcement techniques on SLOW learners for transgressions that may have cost me time, money,
or outright fear that they had endangered people who had placed their trust in me.
But, in no way, shape, or, form did they cause me
22k of grief, including associated hardware by having the gall to tell me not only does my sHARk entrusted to their expert care not perform as advertised, but that the engine is trashed (read: "send me more cash").
Joe Dyer,
You have my awed respect for remaining cool.
A nice guy, doing his best in HIS chosen profession, and failing, miserably, while costing me 22k, sHARk downtime, and a pranged engine to be rebuilt out of my pocket doesn't know what sorry is...yet.
Again Joe, You have the patience of a rock.
Are you going to continue the SC project?
Have yet to deal with you guy's as a customer, plan to change that in the future.
On this topic:
1. I do not believe in the buyer beware disclaimer.
For anything!
2. I do believe that the highway to hell is paved with good intentions. Point of fact, there is a modest number of people out there who after fair warning from me went on to cause me grief of varying degrees due to assisting, or, otherwise helping me without my knowledge or approval.
After one of MY 'pointed' fair warnings all of these individuals used a variant of the reknowned;
"I'm sorry, I was only trying to help" excuse.
Some of you would no doubt recommend me to a short tour of the County Jail, and extensive Anger Management Classes. All violaters were physically, trashed.
My point is that at times I had to use negative re-enforcement techniques on SLOW learners for transgressions that may have cost me time, money,
or outright fear that they had endangered people who had placed their trust in me.
But, in no way, shape, or, form did they cause me
22k of grief, including associated hardware by having the gall to tell me not only does my sHARk entrusted to their expert care not perform as advertised, but that the engine is trashed (read: "send me more cash").
Joe Dyer,
You have my awed respect for remaining cool.
A nice guy, doing his best in HIS chosen profession, and failing, miserably, while costing me 22k, sHARk downtime, and a pranged engine to be rebuilt out of my pocket doesn't know what sorry is...yet.
Again Joe, You have the patience of a rock.
Are you going to continue the SC project?
01-09-2003, 12:37 AM
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This complete thread has been a slam session. I feel bad for Joe but as always it takes two to tango. As the old saying goes where there is smoke there is fire.
I have been a member of rennlist for a long time. I look forward to the reading of the rennlist board, it goes with my morning coffee and newspapers. There are some very good post with lots of helpful good information that at one time or another helped solve a problem .
I don't believe everything I read I take it for what its worth. I look at where the information comes from and its source. There seems to be a lot of talk about superchargers good and bad. Of all the stories of who can do what with a 928 motor, you can count on one hand the people or companies that do make power with a 928 motor.
I put a post out under 928 superchargers who has one working with a current application and to give performance results guess what? not many results so far. I had a very wise man tell me once the cream will ALWAYS rise to the top. Well I will wait to see if the cream wiil rise or if I see SOUR MILK.
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I have been a member of rennlist for a long time. I look forward to the reading of the rennlist board, it goes with my morning coffee and newspapers. There are some very good post with lots of helpful good information that at one time or another helped solve a problem .
I don't believe everything I read I take it for what its worth. I look at where the information comes from and its source. There seems to be a lot of talk about superchargers good and bad. Of all the stories of who can do what with a 928 motor, you can count on one hand the people or companies that do make power with a 928 motor.
I put a post out under 928 superchargers who has one working with a current application and to give performance results guess what? not many results so far. I had a very wise man tell me once the cream will ALWAYS rise to the top. Well I will wait to see if the cream wiil rise or if I see SOUR MILK.
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01-09-2003, 01:54 AM
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Gee, I thought I killed this thread with my post. Yes, John, the SC project will be completed, by Marc & Susan. DEVEK has serviced my car for almost 2 years (9 months ago) as Belmont is maybe 30 minutes from my house. They have always gone the extra mile to ensure my satisfaction.
The reason I didn't go with a stroker was it didn't make sense to go from 5.6 liters to 6.0. The GTS engine is already stroked. If I had a 5.0, then it would make sense, at least to me.
20 years ago I supercharged a TR8 with a Paxton kit and just loved it. Did all the work myself, bare block up. Granted the GTS is much more complicated, but for a daily driver that runs monthly autocrosses and maybe 3-4 track days a year, SC'ing made the most sense to me.
Quite honestly, I wanted Eric to succeed and maybe he still can, if the work performed is a quality job. All I ever wanted was my car back and running in a reasonable time. The last few months it became apparent he was working other projects and not on mine. I don't know why nor do I care. I was a paying customer who was on him every week for status. After 7 months of slipages, you just can't continue, and I admit the risk of a quality re-build was too high.
This situation appears to translate to someone who has difficulty in focusing on the procedural steps to ensure project success. I've never met someone who is accomplished at both salemanship and engineering execution. We all have varying degrees of talents, and hopefully use what we are best at.
So the story's not complete. My block is due back this week, matched to new pistons (or so I've been told). I've had no conversation with Eric since this thread began.
The next steps will be to analyze what's been done, re-assembly, and get the car back on the road. The "other" white car will back... and hopefully, all parties involved will be satisfied.
Stay tuned...
The reason I didn't go with a stroker was it didn't make sense to go from 5.6 liters to 6.0. The GTS engine is already stroked. If I had a 5.0, then it would make sense, at least to me.
20 years ago I supercharged a TR8 with a Paxton kit and just loved it. Did all the work myself, bare block up. Granted the GTS is much more complicated, but for a daily driver that runs monthly autocrosses and maybe 3-4 track days a year, SC'ing made the most sense to me.
Quite honestly, I wanted Eric to succeed and maybe he still can, if the work performed is a quality job. All I ever wanted was my car back and running in a reasonable time. The last few months it became apparent he was working other projects and not on mine. I don't know why nor do I care. I was a paying customer who was on him every week for status. After 7 months of slipages, you just can't continue, and I admit the risk of a quality re-build was too high.
This situation appears to translate to someone who has difficulty in focusing on the procedural steps to ensure project success. I've never met someone who is accomplished at both salemanship and engineering execution. We all have varying degrees of talents, and hopefully use what we are best at.
So the story's not complete. My block is due back this week, matched to new pistons (or so I've been told). I've had no conversation with Eric since this thread began.
The next steps will be to analyze what's been done, re-assembly, and get the car back on the road. The "other" white car will back... and hopefully, all parties involved will be satisfied.
Stay tuned...
01-09-2003, 04:58 AM
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I think when all is said and done, regadless of the $$$ spent, and the hassles involved, you will have a REALLY bada** car, and you will be very happy...
Bwaaaaaaahhhhh!!!!
Bwaaaaaaahhhhh!!!!
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I'd like to add my 2 cents into this saga, I should probably toss on my flame proof suit first... ok here goes...
Back in August of last year Eric came into the Boxster message forum and posted that he needed a car to develop a kit for the Boxster and were any owners willing to donate and in return they'd get a supercharged Boxster back. I contacted him and we spoke a couple of times on the phone. He assured me that we was working directly with a local supercharger manufacturer because he raced in Porsche events with the owner, and that together they had years of experience in supercharging cars. Just look at his website. Initially I made plans to have my car hauled from its home in the midwest to LA for the work to be done, pending the outcome of my research.
Let me preface this by saying that I do research for a living so I have access to a variety of sources. In doing my due diligence I came across several red flags. I found that he had judgements against him in court and that in at least one instance the local sheriff was unable to serve him because of the dogs (dobermans I believe, maybe it was rottweilers, I don't recall now) that were raised on the property. These judgements totaled a substantial sum in my opinion, but were not the only red flag I found.
I discovered that the supercharger company he claimed to be working with, was in fact NOT working with him. I spoke to the person in question at the supercharger company for a good length of time about how he knew Eric, whether or not they were assisting him, did they know about this Boxster project that he claimed they were a part of etc. etc. The summation of that conversation was that they had loaned him one kit to get his feet wet and that they had been regretting it ever since and that they were in no way involved with the project and had no financial stake in his dealings. They weren't backing him and when I asked flat out "Would you take your car to him?" the answer was a resounding "NO."
Meanwhile I started to get emails from people who had past dealings with him and uncovered some interesting message threads etc. Some of these emails warned me that there was currently a 928 in his shop that had been there for 6 months and still wasn't finished. (He had promised to have my car out of the shop in 3-4 weeks max) I promised the owner of that car that I would not say anything publicly until his car got out of the shop for fear of upsetting Eric and lengthening the amount of time it took to get his car back if he was in fact able to do so at all. I kept my word and anyone who asked me about why didn't I take my car to Cali to get supercharged I privately told that there were "too many red flags".
That's what it was for me. When I talk to technology vendors and red flags come up, one is usually a problem, 2 or more and it is my belief they are doomed. This has ALWAYS panned out in that fashion. In the same way that I would not invest in a technology company with multiple red flags, I was not going to invest my car into the hands of someone with multiple red flags either.
I don't know any of these people personally, and I'm not here to say someone is or is not a bad person, only to relate that for me I steered clear of this "opportunity" because my well-trained gut told me to do so. Do I regret doing so? Not in the least, in fact, I'm happy to still have my car even if it doesn't have a supercharger.
I'm sorry to hear about the tragedies that have befallen fellow Porsche owners. I guess you could always buy a Boxster S to replace your 928!
Back in August of last year Eric came into the Boxster message forum and posted that he needed a car to develop a kit for the Boxster and were any owners willing to donate and in return they'd get a supercharged Boxster back. I contacted him and we spoke a couple of times on the phone. He assured me that we was working directly with a local supercharger manufacturer because he raced in Porsche events with the owner, and that together they had years of experience in supercharging cars. Just look at his website. Initially I made plans to have my car hauled from its home in the midwest to LA for the work to be done, pending the outcome of my research.
Let me preface this by saying that I do research for a living so I have access to a variety of sources. In doing my due diligence I came across several red flags. I found that he had judgements against him in court and that in at least one instance the local sheriff was unable to serve him because of the dogs (dobermans I believe, maybe it was rottweilers, I don't recall now) that were raised on the property. These judgements totaled a substantial sum in my opinion, but were not the only red flag I found.
I discovered that the supercharger company he claimed to be working with, was in fact NOT working with him. I spoke to the person in question at the supercharger company for a good length of time about how he knew Eric, whether or not they were assisting him, did they know about this Boxster project that he claimed they were a part of etc. etc. The summation of that conversation was that they had loaned him one kit to get his feet wet and that they had been regretting it ever since and that they were in no way involved with the project and had no financial stake in his dealings. They weren't backing him and when I asked flat out "Would you take your car to him?" the answer was a resounding "NO."
Meanwhile I started to get emails from people who had past dealings with him and uncovered some interesting message threads etc. Some of these emails warned me that there was currently a 928 in his shop that had been there for 6 months and still wasn't finished. (He had promised to have my car out of the shop in 3-4 weeks max) I promised the owner of that car that I would not say anything publicly until his car got out of the shop for fear of upsetting Eric and lengthening the amount of time it took to get his car back if he was in fact able to do so at all. I kept my word and anyone who asked me about why didn't I take my car to Cali to get supercharged I privately told that there were "too many red flags".
That's what it was for me. When I talk to technology vendors and red flags come up, one is usually a problem, 2 or more and it is my belief they are doomed. This has ALWAYS panned out in that fashion. In the same way that I would not invest in a technology company with multiple red flags, I was not going to invest my car into the hands of someone with multiple red flags either.
I don't know any of these people personally, and I'm not here to say someone is or is not a bad person, only to relate that for me I steered clear of this "opportunity" because my well-trained gut told me to do so. Do I regret doing so? Not in the least, in fact, I'm happy to still have my car even if it doesn't have a supercharger.
I'm sorry to hear about the tragedies that have befallen fellow Porsche owners. I guess you could always buy a Boxster S to replace your 928!
01-09-2003, 05:37 PM
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Time for me to vent...
You know, I live on the other side of the world but as 928 owners we're all in the same boat. I've experienced similar problems with mechanics / vendors as expressed in this thread throughout the development of my car, resulting in me developing extreme distrust in anything a vendor / mechanic has to say, whether it's advertising, websites, email, phone calls or face to face conversations...
I get the gut feeling these people are not entirely truthful, or at times not even remotely truthful when I speak to them, and every single time they make a wrong decision re my car, I end up forking out more money to rectify the problem.
It's all in the spirit of research and development, I guess...
I have no personal gripes with any of the long standing well known 928 vendors, or even the newbies out there, all I'm saying is make sure your you deal with someone who can make solid predictions based on past experience and a good track record BEFORE you spend your bucks.
Even so, spending your money on any mod that is just a window-dressed version of someone else's ego trip is a gamble that could cost you the price of a GTS to get your shark back on the road.
You know, I live on the other side of the world but as 928 owners we're all in the same boat. I've experienced similar problems with mechanics / vendors as expressed in this thread throughout the development of my car, resulting in me developing extreme distrust in anything a vendor / mechanic has to say, whether it's advertising, websites, email, phone calls or face to face conversations...
I get the gut feeling these people are not entirely truthful, or at times not even remotely truthful when I speak to them, and every single time they make a wrong decision re my car, I end up forking out more money to rectify the problem.
It's all in the spirit of research and development, I guess...
I have no personal gripes with any of the long standing well known 928 vendors, or even the newbies out there, all I'm saying is make sure your you deal with someone who can make solid predictions based on past experience and a good track record BEFORE you spend your bucks.
Even so, spending your money on any mod that is just a window-dressed version of someone else's ego trip is a gamble that could cost you the price of a GTS to get your shark back on the road.
01-09-2003, 08:41 PM
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...now that I have stopped laughing at how many posters proclaim that, THEY have all the answers, know what is best and warned us all about shadey shops, I still have not really seen a post that tells us who actually has a trouble free supercharged 928.
It appears to be a mystery. Why aren't the guys that have figured it all out posting and sharing their successes and failures with us...here or anywhere? Are there actually any out there?
Judging by all the posts on this thread, it seems like more people are out to hang someone, then share what it takes to get the job done.
I am not disregarding bad business practices by the name in question, but would like to hear something constructive/positive on overcoming the SC dilemma.
It appears to be a mystery. Why aren't the guys that have figured it all out posting and sharing their successes and failures with us...here or anywhere? Are there actually any out there?
Judging by all the posts on this thread, it seems like more people are out to hang someone, then share what it takes to get the job done.
I am not disregarding bad business practices by the name in question, but would like to hear something constructive/positive on overcoming the SC dilemma.
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I'm glad somebody under stands the question at hand. I still don't see anyone yet with a success story for a 928 supercharger. Hopefully at some point someone will come forward with some real strong et numbers. So far I have seen a supercharged 928 post 13:50 et which is about the same et as my girlfriends stock corvette.
I do believe that a supercharger will and can work no doubt about it. I have seen the dyno sheets posted of that 928 putting up some big numbers, now thats some big power at the rear wheels.
Its a shame plenty of money has been spent by some stand up hard working people that have been mislead for some bench racing big hp stories. These lies are good for some daytime soaps. Its funny how all the scams, all the supercharger gurus and the stories of big hp are out of the state of california, home to hollywood and the big money. I still think it can be done.
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I do believe that a supercharger will and can work no doubt about it. I have seen the dyno sheets posted of that 928 putting up some big numbers, now thats some big power at the rear wheels.
Its a shame plenty of money has been spent by some stand up hard working people that have been mislead for some bench racing big hp stories. These lies are good for some daytime soaps. Its funny how all the scams, all the supercharger gurus and the stories of big hp are out of the state of california, home to hollywood and the big money. I still think it can be done.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva"> Judging by all the posts on this thread, it seems like more people are out to hang someone, then share what it takes to get the job done. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">I agree. If everyone would just design their own supercharger system or help someone else on the board do it then we wouldn't need this debate, nor have the time or energy for it.
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I Would like to help the people that have made suggestions given me help and asked questions on my SC project.
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Randy Page (SP?) has had sucess from what I know and have seen. Saw the car at SITM 2001 and again at SITM 2002. See: <a href="http://members.rennlist.com/jeifert/P1010289.jpg" target="_blank">http://members.rennlist.com/jeifert/P1010289.jpg</a>
As I recall he SC'd his 928 and a few days later drove it 500+ miles round trip to SITM 2001. That's what I call someone with huevos. The Tilos car is SC'd (600HP) and is so powerfull it scared the cr*p out of two of it's subsequent owners (who then sold it) from what I have heard. Apparently this stuff is not rocket science for some people.
As I recall he SC'd his 928 and a few days later drove it 500+ miles round trip to SITM 2001. That's what I call someone with huevos. The Tilos car is SC'd (600HP) and is so powerfull it scared the cr*p out of two of it's subsequent owners (who then sold it) from what I have heard. Apparently this stuff is not rocket science for some people.
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OK guys, you wanted to hear from a owner with a trouble-free supercharger install...I couldn't find one out there so decided to reply myself!
Well, my experience certainly hasn't been trouble-free, but it has been pretty positive. First off, I had never done anything more difficult than replacing valve cover gaskets or belts prior to buying my 928. But, within 6 months of ownership, I had taken on installing a supercharger. So, I was slow, and had a steep learning curve.
I started out with a FAAST kit (I think I was their first customer), and that's what I had on the car when I drove to SITM back in 2001. Since then, I have made many changes to the car, and replaced most of the FAAST parts with the exception of the bracket, which I will be replacing as well soon.
Most of the trouble I have had with the car has been from stupid mistakes I made while installing something (not necessarily supercharger related.) Overall, after the first couple of months of working out the initial bugs, the supercharger setup itself has been relatively trouble free. Perhaps the biggest PITA has been dealing with the belts in general, and supercharger belt slippage in particular. But, those issues have been resolved by going with a new crank pulley design.
From early on, I haven't been afraid to drive the car out of town. I always bring%
Well, my experience certainly hasn't been trouble-free, but it has been pretty positive. First off, I had never done anything more difficult than replacing valve cover gaskets or belts prior to buying my 928. But, within 6 months of ownership, I had taken on installing a supercharger. So, I was slow, and had a steep learning curve.
I started out with a FAAST kit (I think I was their first customer), and that's what I had on the car when I drove to SITM back in 2001. Since then, I have made many changes to the car, and replaced most of the FAAST parts with the exception of the bracket, which I will be replacing as well soon.
Most of the trouble I have had with the car has been from stupid mistakes I made while installing something (not necessarily supercharger related.) Overall, after the first couple of months of working out the initial bugs, the supercharger setup itself has been relatively trouble free. Perhaps the biggest PITA has been dealing with the belts in general, and supercharger belt slippage in particular. But, those issues have been resolved by going with a new crank pulley design.
From early on, I haven't been afraid to drive the car out of town. I always bring%
01-10-2003, 03:31 PM
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Cool, now we are getting somewhere. See how easy it is to turn this conversation around to something positive?
Looks like all the whiners and instigators don't have anything constructive to add to actually SC'ing a car, so they lost interest in this thread.
It appears that the guy at projekt928 is at least trying to get a car super charged. Again, not saying he is doing it the ethical way, but I bet he has learned a lot and should probably know more how to do it than most of us.
Is it possible to get in touch with the successful SC guys and get a "how to" thread going? What kinds of things did they encounter on the road to success? Are the cars reliable for for daily driving?
I bet that if this info could become public knowledge, the cost might come way down due to more folks installing them. All it takes is a solid working "kit" that is reliable.
I don't think anyone really needs 600hp, but bolting on an easy 100+ hp to the rear wheels will brighten up many a 928'ers day.
Looks like all the whiners and instigators don't have anything constructive to add to actually SC'ing a car, so they lost interest in this thread.
It appears that the guy at projekt928 is at least trying to get a car super charged. Again, not saying he is doing it the ethical way, but I bet he has learned a lot and should probably know more how to do it than most of us.
Is it possible to get in touch with the successful SC guys and get a "how to" thread going? What kinds of things did they encounter on the road to success? Are the cars reliable for for daily driving?
I bet that if this info could become public knowledge, the cost might come way down due to more folks installing them. All it takes is a solid working "kit" that is reliable.
I don't think anyone really needs 600hp, but bolting on an easy 100+ hp to the rear wheels will brighten up many a 928'ers day.