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03-02-2003, 01:56 PM
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Renegade Hybrid conversion on eBay <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2405840604&category=6432" target="_blank"> Chevy V8 928</a>
03-02-2003, 02:05 PM
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Of course it is for sale. Probably has so many electrical issues, the guy got tired of chasing the fires. Driven very little! Yep, probably just moving it out of the way so he can park some thing else there.
03-02-2003, 02:24 PM
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There's another LT1 Chevy conversion here in Michigan. Rob, a member of this board, has done an excellent job with that car, and it runs well.
I'm not advocating one way or another, I'm just saying you shouldn't assume that there are inherent problems.
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I'm not advocating one way or another, I'm just saying you shouldn't assume that there are inherent problems.
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03-02-2003, 02:41 PM
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Yo Dawg.......?
And next you will be telling us you could read a newspaper -undistracted- on South Beach during Spring Break!
Hot Stangs', Porsche 928's, maybe an itch for a Lambo.
We all have our dark secrets...confess now my son, the truth will set you free.
I think everyone ought to check one out.
If the balance and handling is still there, that kind of HP gain in an early model, assuming you don't scatter the differential, TT, Converter, Half-shafts all over the road would be a trip.
I'd like to dance with that one once or twice.
So it's not a real Porsche...I'll get over it.
Yo Dawg.......?
And next you will be telling us you could read a newspaper -undistracted- on South Beach during Spring Break!
Hot Stangs', Porsche 928's, maybe an itch for a Lambo.
We all have our dark secrets...confess now my son, the truth will set you free.
I think everyone ought to check one out.
If the balance and handling is still there, that kind of HP gain in an early model, assuming you don't scatter the differential, TT, Converter, Half-shafts all over the road would be a trip.
I'd like to dance with that one once or twice.
So it's not a real Porsche...I'll get over it.
03-02-2003, 02:54 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Shane:
<strong>Of course it is for sale. Probably has so many electrical issues, the guy got tired of chasing the fires. Driven very little! Yep, probably just moving it out of the way so he can park some thing else there.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Don't Hate, Appreciate! <img border="0" alt="[thumbsup]" title="" src="graemlins/bigok.gif" />
<strong>Of course it is for sale. Probably has so many electrical issues, the guy got tired of chasing the fires. Driven very little! Yep, probably just moving it out of the way so he can park some thing else there.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Don't Hate, Appreciate! <img border="0" alt="[thumbsup]" title="" src="graemlins/bigok.gif" />
03-02-2003, 05:41 PM
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The debate on this is always interesting. Only in America could you get guys arguing about Chevy's in Porsches.
It seems that the work to change out the old M28 would be as much as just putting another one in. They don't cost any more than a GM small Trouble is, you really are stuck with something you can't sell. - Ru
It seems that the work to change out the old M28 would be as much as just putting another one in. They don't cost any more than a GM small Trouble is, you really are stuck with something you can't sell. - Ru
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03-02-2003, 06:29 PM
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John,
Of course! Now about that newspaper on the beach. Ya d*mn straight I could consentrate on it. Being that the wife would be there next to me making sure of it.
I don't hate the conversions like that. Just wouldn't want to Waste that kind of money making a 928 into something else. If I wanted a LT1 I go buy a vette. Like my brother always talking about turning a fiero into a Lamborgini drivin by a 350. Why I ask? His reply is always "Cuz I can" Go figure!
Of course! Now about that newspaper on the beach. Ya d*mn straight I could consentrate on it. Being that the wife would be there next to me making sure of it.
I don't hate the conversions like that. Just wouldn't want to Waste that kind of money making a 928 into something else. If I wanted a LT1 I go buy a vette. Like my brother always talking about turning a fiero into a Lamborgini drivin by a 350. Why I ask? His reply is always "Cuz I can" Go figure!
03-03-2003, 04:37 AM
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I think awhile back, there was a gold color 928 conversion for sale out of Las Vegas that was kicked around for a long time. Not sure what ever became of it.
Not some place I'd invest my money.
350's don't belong in a shark...that V-8 Porsche engine is half the fun for me.
Hell, anyone can build go-fast-straight-line stuff it in any old engine bay crap any day of the week. Boys, we're talking top quality hand made German go-fast engineering when we speak about the 928.
That would be like stuffing cheap wonder bread into a fine Porsche toaster…just not right <img border="0" alt="[nono]" title="" src="graemlins/nono.gif" />
Of course, I know I'll catch **** for this one so let me throw in an Ed YMMV
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Not some place I'd invest my money.
350's don't belong in a shark...that V-8 Porsche engine is half the fun for me.
Hell, anyone can build go-fast-straight-line stuff it in any old engine bay crap any day of the week. Boys, we're talking top quality hand made German go-fast engineering when we speak about the 928.
That would be like stuffing cheap wonder bread into a fine Porsche toaster…just not right <img border="0" alt="[nono]" title="" src="graemlins/nono.gif" />
Of course, I know I'll catch **** for this one so let me throw in an Ed YMMV
Tim
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03-03-2003, 12:58 PM
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All I can say is I have dibbs on the first totaled Cayenne twin turbo. Now that is a hybrid we could all be proud of. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />
03-03-2003, 10:36 PM
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I did the conversion to an 80 928.
I was looking for a car, a daily driver to be specific, that encompassed everything I wanted. The style I was looking for had to be similar to that of Lapine, Michellotti or Goertz. It wasn’t that I sought those names out. They just happen to design cars that appealed to me. Engineering was also a factor. It had to be built well, handle well, and be serviceable. And of course it had to be fast, very fast.
There wasn’t much of decision. It had to be a 928.
Then it became “Speed costs money boy, just how fast do you want to go?”
The performance of the 80 928 was reasonably good, but just good. I figured about 370 HP was needed to move the weight of the 928 fast enough for my liking. While this is a subject that can be hotly debated, I found the cost of reworking the stock engine or replacing it with a later Porsche model was just not cost effective.
I did find that a used stock Porsche engine was cheaper than a used stock Chevy engine. However, a rebuilt 350 HP Porsche engine is three times the cost of a new 350 HP LT1. I chose to replace the engine with a small block Chevy LT1 rather than deal with the cost and logistics.
The engineering and design of the 928 allowed for a very easy conversion. Nothing was cut, bent, drilled or welded on the 928.
The entire electrical system including the warning lights, gauges, etc. were left untouched, are intact, and working just as they did with the Porsche engine. The entire engine control system, aside from the power connection, is separate from the rest of the electrical system in the 928, so it came out with ease and was replaced with the GM system.
The fuel system required no modifications at all; aside from hose and fittings, the same for the heating and cooling system which only needed hose.
Even the kick down and throttle cables required only new ends on the engine side. It has a 928 S4 Ansa dual free flow exhaust system that was easily adapted to twin cats and custom headers.
The engine itself is 50 lbs lighter and smaller than the stock engine and fits easily into the engine bay. I completely rebuilt the engine with a number of modifications. With the adaptors from Renegade, it bolts directly to the torque tube and mounts on the chassis and cross member in holes already there. No modifications were necessary to the torque tube or torque converter or anything behind it. A vehicle speed sensor was bolted to the right rear axel.
The conversion can be undone probably as easily as it was done.
With the few modifications and prior to advanced tuning the LT1 produces 320 HP and 310 lbs of torque at the rear wheels and 368 HP at the flywheel. The GM Engine Control System is fully computerized and allows for logging, custom programming, and tuning with any Windows PC. There are no chips to replace in the ECU or mechanical adjustments on the engine itself.
I’ve restored about a dozen cars over the years and enjoy the mechanical/engineering aspect probably more than driving. All the cars I’ve done were sold within a few months after completion. This project was the most rewarding which is probably why I still have it.
I’ve driven it for a year and a half, about 18,000 miles, nearly every day with zero problems. It gets 18 MPG combined H/C and will probably pass emissions testing if we had it in Michigan.
Aside from a leaky shock and transmission hose, the drive train is in perfect condition. I re-did the entire interior and sound system to my liking and plan to have it professionally tuned on a dyno and painted a color not chosen yet.
It’s a car that has everything I was looking for.
I guess in a way I’m preaching to the choir here. It’s a 928. I put it together. It runs, looks and feels great and its fast, very fast. I love the car.
I was looking for a car, a daily driver to be specific, that encompassed everything I wanted. The style I was looking for had to be similar to that of Lapine, Michellotti or Goertz. It wasn’t that I sought those names out. They just happen to design cars that appealed to me. Engineering was also a factor. It had to be built well, handle well, and be serviceable. And of course it had to be fast, very fast.
There wasn’t much of decision. It had to be a 928.
Then it became “Speed costs money boy, just how fast do you want to go?”
The performance of the 80 928 was reasonably good, but just good. I figured about 370 HP was needed to move the weight of the 928 fast enough for my liking. While this is a subject that can be hotly debated, I found the cost of reworking the stock engine or replacing it with a later Porsche model was just not cost effective.
I did find that a used stock Porsche engine was cheaper than a used stock Chevy engine. However, a rebuilt 350 HP Porsche engine is three times the cost of a new 350 HP LT1. I chose to replace the engine with a small block Chevy LT1 rather than deal with the cost and logistics.
The engineering and design of the 928 allowed for a very easy conversion. Nothing was cut, bent, drilled or welded on the 928.
The entire electrical system including the warning lights, gauges, etc. were left untouched, are intact, and working just as they did with the Porsche engine. The entire engine control system, aside from the power connection, is separate from the rest of the electrical system in the 928, so it came out with ease and was replaced with the GM system.
The fuel system required no modifications at all; aside from hose and fittings, the same for the heating and cooling system which only needed hose.
Even the kick down and throttle cables required only new ends on the engine side. It has a 928 S4 Ansa dual free flow exhaust system that was easily adapted to twin cats and custom headers.
The engine itself is 50 lbs lighter and smaller than the stock engine and fits easily into the engine bay. I completely rebuilt the engine with a number of modifications. With the adaptors from Renegade, it bolts directly to the torque tube and mounts on the chassis and cross member in holes already there. No modifications were necessary to the torque tube or torque converter or anything behind it. A vehicle speed sensor was bolted to the right rear axel.
The conversion can be undone probably as easily as it was done.
With the few modifications and prior to advanced tuning the LT1 produces 320 HP and 310 lbs of torque at the rear wheels and 368 HP at the flywheel. The GM Engine Control System is fully computerized and allows for logging, custom programming, and tuning with any Windows PC. There are no chips to replace in the ECU or mechanical adjustments on the engine itself.
I’ve restored about a dozen cars over the years and enjoy the mechanical/engineering aspect probably more than driving. All the cars I’ve done were sold within a few months after completion. This project was the most rewarding which is probably why I still have it.
I’ve driven it for a year and a half, about 18,000 miles, nearly every day with zero problems. It gets 18 MPG combined H/C and will probably pass emissions testing if we had it in Michigan.
Aside from a leaky shock and transmission hose, the drive train is in perfect condition. I re-did the entire interior and sound system to my liking and plan to have it professionally tuned on a dyno and painted a color not chosen yet.
It’s a car that has everything I was looking for.
I guess in a way I’m preaching to the choir here. It’s a 928. I put it together. It runs, looks and feels great and its fast, very fast. I love the car.
03-03-2003, 10:56 PM
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Do you have pictures Rob? Would like to see it!
All of what you stated about buying Porsche HP is true. It's damn expensive! A person can do a conversion for a lot less and get just as much or more performance with a SBC.
What's odd about the add for the car on e-bay is the $40000.00 they spent developing...that's a lot of money for a SBC conversion even in development.
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All of what you stated about buying Porsche HP is true. It's damn expensive! A person can do a conversion for a lot less and get just as much or more performance with a SBC.
What's odd about the add for the car on e-bay is the $40000.00 they spent developing...that's a lot of money for a SBC conversion even in development.
4MIDLIF/Rob; YGM
03-03-2003, 11:06 PM
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Just one question, can the 350 Chevy run 140-150+ mph all day, day after day?
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