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Old 05-26-2007, 01:35 AM
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I decided to jump into shark infested waters. I'm not sure on which model though. Any help would be appreciated-a point in the right direction. James
Old 05-26-2007, 01:49 AM
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What year S were you looking at.....the pre 1985 S cars only had the 4.5 or 4.5L 16V engine that had far less power than the 5L 32V cars did...the exception is the rare 4.7L euros but those are quite rare!

Condition or an individual 928 is more important that model-year-mileage etc.....best thing to do is figure out your budget.....allow some $$$ for "right away" repairs.... That will tell you what type of market your in GTS-S4-S OB etc...personally I prefer S4's for their updated looks & more power...
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I was under the impression the "S" cars had the 240HP 4.7 motor.

Quoted from Wikipedia:
"the main change for the 928 S was under the hood, where a revised 4.7 L engine was used. European versions debuted with 300 PS (221 kW/297 hp), and were upgraded to 310 PS (228 kW/306 hp) for the 1984 model year. North American spec 1983 and 1984 S models used, among other differences, milder camshafts and additional emissions regulation equipment, and were limited to 239 hp (174 kW/242 PS) as a result."
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Originally Posted by V2Rocket_aka944
I was under the impression the "S" cars had the 240HP 4.7 motor.

Quoted from Wikipedia:
"the main change for the 928 S was under the hood, where a revised 4.7 L engine was used. European versions debuted with 300 PS (221 kW/297 hp), and were upgraded to 310 PS (228 kW/306 hp) for the 1984 model year. North American spec 1983 and 1984 S models used, among other differences, milder camshafts and additional emissions regulation equipment, and were limited to 239 hp (174 kW/242 PS) as a result."
There were 7+ different motors of 3 different displacements used in S cars of various years and markets. In the US, S means spoilers and some other different options, but no performance difference. From 83-86 all US cars are S.

In reference to the original question, it's too broad.
Old 05-26-2007, 03:21 AM
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Originally Posted by TEN GRAND
I decided to jump into shark infested waters. I'm not sure on which model though. Any help would be appreciated-a point in the right direction. James
You don't say where you're based James - your forum name says UK to me however, or at least somewhere where the steering wheel is on the right-hand side

Check out this link for the model year changes for european-spec cars.

http://www.landsharkoz.com/evolution.htm

The 4.7l S model was available from '80 onwards outside the US, whilst in the US the 'S' spec was, as someone pointed out above, almost purely cosmetic differences until much later.
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Originally Posted by IcemanG17
What year S were you looking at.....the pre 1985 S cars only had the 4.5 or 4.5L 16V engine that had far less power than the 5L 32V cars did...the exception is the rare 4.7L euros but those are quite rare!

Condition or an individual 928 is more important that model-year-mileage etc.....best thing to do is figure out your budget.....allow some $$$ for "right away" repairs.... That will tell you what type of market your in GTS-S4-S OB etc...personally I prefer S4's for their updated looks & more power...
"Rare" 4.7L euros? Well, go on eBay, and look for an '84-'86 928 with a VIN number that starts like this: "WP0ZZZ". These are the infamous S2 cars, the high-compression 310 horsepower gray-market cars that were imported by individuals or small companies prior to 1987. They aren't hard to find, though finding a GOOD RUNNING example these days is about as easy as winning the lottery!

I have no idea how many S2's actually came to the United States, but a gut feeling tells me that around 500 of these cars made it across the pond. Porsche built about 5000 928's each of these three years, and half were US models. The rest were the ROW or "S2" cars, so it stands to reason that the vast majority of the Rest Of World cars were bought by people who wanted them, not just merchants. Remember now- the cost to import and Federalize an S2 in 1985 was around $5000, and the group that brought them in needed to achieve a certain margin; in the end, a person that wanted one of these cars probably needed to pay $60,000+ for a car that was identical to one for sale a few miles away at the Porsche dealer for $50,000.

Hello? Those cams are amazing...I rejoice in them each time I drive my car. But they aren't that dear!

N!
Old 05-26-2007, 10:13 AM
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If you like the "old" body style (pre-1987), then Euro S2 as Normy endorses, or 1986.5 US models are the ones to get. Most power + goodies.

With the S4 generation cars, there are a lot of 928 GT enthusiasts. GT would probably be my choice after what I already have.
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Originally Posted by FlyingDog
but no performance difference. From 83-86 all US cars are S.
No performance difference between those years ...are you certain?
Old 05-26-2007, 10:51 AM
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Porsche cars are built by evolution not revolution. The 928 Porsche is no different, as it evolved over 18 odd years and the last model is the best, the 1995 GTS,

So I would suggest that you set your budget and then go and drive every model that you can and select the latest model that you can afford, if it is in good condition depending on your ability to maintain it.

Don't be afraid to walk away from a model if you are not happy and when you do select a model definately have a PPI.

If you subscribe to this theory then the S4 are better than the 928, 928 S, S2 and S3, then there is the GT (manual only) and then the GTS. All models other than the GT comes in manual and auto.

Tails 1990 928 S4 Auto.
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This site has some good info on the different models.

http://www.928s4vr.com/
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So what motor does a US-spec '83 928S have?
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GTS... what is your budget?
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83S USA HAS 234 HP

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83S Guards/Camel 5-Speed 53K
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Originally Posted by pewter82
83S USA HAS 234 HP

jason

83S Guards/Camel 5-Speed 53K
Meaning it has the 4.7?
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Originally Posted by FlyingDog
In the US, S means spoilers and some other different options, but no performance difference. From 83-86 all US cars are S.
Originally Posted by eidolon
No performance difference between those years ...are you certain?
In the US, except for the GT, there was only one engine option available for each model year.

Matt is talking about US 80-82, where both a S, and a non-S, were available, but the S was only a handling and appearance package, not an engine option. 83-up, all models were S. Although you could special order a car without spoilers, or rear badge.


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