GT vs S4 5spd
02-25-2007, 09:50 AM
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Judging by what people are willing to pay for an S4 vs a GT I think many would agree with what Dave is saying. I think this compariosn may be somewhat similar to the 993 C2 vs C2S. The C2S offers the widebody apearance of the Turbo and some minor interior updgrades and demands between $10 - $20K more than the C2. Reason for this is it's even better on the eyes and limited quantities. 
02-25-2007, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Air Cooled Carrera
...I think this compariosn may be somewhat similar to the 993 C2 vs C2S. The C2S offers the widebody apearance of the Turbo and some minor interior updgrades and demands between $10 - $20K more than the C2.
IMO, There's only one generally valid-from-all-angles S4 vs GT comparison context. The context where model-year variations and perceptions of model-year value can be factored out: '89 GT vs '89 5-Speed. That's the only year in which the essential 'essence' of the difference can be more-or-less easily compared. For the other model years - say '87 vs '89, or '88 vs. '91 - there are subtype-independent variations (such as PSD in '90+ or the extra sound insulation in '91, or the 2.20 rear-end in 87/88 etc.) that make it more difficult to figure out what a GT "is" or "is not" as compared to a non-GT.
Given an '89 S4 5-speed and an '89 GT each in objectively identical mechanical condition I think the differences between the two are very subtle. I've driven a few examples of each and the differences among the cars due to mechanical condition overshadowed their S4-ness or GT-ness.
02-25-2007, 03:10 PM
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I am a big GT fan anyways, and I think it is the most desirable 928 variant. I will agree that the GTS is still worth more money as well.
But I live in a world where my bang for the buck is something I always have to think about. My S4 was all I needed to be happy and I really can't justify spending GT money for the difference between them. I also do like to cruise at 90mph and the 2.20 is real happy doing that. I have no complaints with my car except that I miss the digital dash.
My next car will be an '89 GT if that ever happens.
But I live in a world where my bang for the buck is something I always have to think about. My S4 was all I needed to be happy and I really can't justify spending GT money for the difference between them. I also do like to cruise at 90mph and the 2.20 is real happy doing that. I have no complaints with my car except that I miss the digital dash.
My next car will be an '89 GT if that ever happens.
02-26-2007, 12:25 PM
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probably would be very very low, providing things didnt fly apart.
If you take a look at the Cup engines you can see what they have done on their engines to get them to breath at 9000rpms.
getting the air in is the usual issue with high rpms!
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If you take a look at the Cup engines you can see what they have done on their engines to get them to breath at 9000rpms.
getting the air in is the usual issue with high rpms!
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Originally Posted by the flyin' scotsman
Wonder what the power o/p would be if we could raise the rpm to 16-20k as modern superbikes and F1 cars?............too ricey?
02-26-2007, 12:44 PM
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...........and at what cost!
Interesting graphical analysis would show power output flattening as revs increase while dollars spent are on the exponential upward curve and for a street car why bother.
Now if I was to strap on the racing helemt again and the CFO was good for a substantial racing budget well.................
Interesting graphical analysis would show power output flattening as revs increase while dollars spent are on the exponential upward curve and for a street car why bother.
Now if I was to strap on the racing helemt again and the CFO was good for a substantial racing budget well.................
02-26-2007, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 928andRC51
But I live in a world where my bang for the buck is something I always have to think about..
02-26-2007, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Andrew Olson
And it has been siggested by people that really know 928 engines that you could bump that up to 7000-7200 without issue.
02-26-2007, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by cfc928gt
Not sure what RPMs the engine momentarily hit but my guess is somewhere around 9000.
02-26-2007, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by cfc928gt
Not sure what RPMs the engine momentarily hit but my guess is somewhere around 9000.
That would be bad. A rev limiter won't protect you against that kind of abuse. Gald you made out okay.
02-26-2007, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Andrew Olson
The rev limiter should have kicked in... oohhhh! you mean you put it in the wrong gear and spun it up? That would be bad. A rev limiter won't protect you against that kind of abuse. Gald you made out okay.
That would be bad. A rev limiter won't protect you against that kind of abuse. Gald you made out okay.
02-26-2007, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by worf928
Good thing it wasn't in a new Porsche. Type II over-revs are logged and the dealer can read them out. Bye-Bye Warrantee.
02-26-2007, 11:25 PM
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I too love my '87 5spd - I've got the '87-88 S4 US 5sp G28/13 2.20:1 and love how it loafs in the freeway, but if you shift it you can still drive the heck out of it.
I've only shifted into second twice during the entire auto-x season last year.
I've only shifted into second twice during the entire auto-x season last year.