fraggle

hey hey relax everyone. Let's not turn this into a debate.

I've rented that track many many times on motorcycles, and overall I would agree with what's been said here. For your first track day, it is better to have a smaller-closer group of like minded individuals with a ton of hot track time than 3 or 4 sessions with an instructor. We always marked the rookies with some tape or a stripe and held everyone TIGHTLY accountable for proper track Etiquette. That way you can go when you want, and stop when you want - maybe to pull your shorts out of your **** in case of a 'moment' without being worried about cutting a session short.

BEsides, I've seen many people come to 'see what its like' only to be driven insane after watching for an hour with desire to participate.

Tips for Spokane: Bring extra water, lunch, gatorade and a ton of fuel. There are no fill ups on site and you will get awful mileage (I got 12mpg on a bike).

And of course, a couple of beers for the end of the day.

atb

Post a pic of your 928, and I'll apologize.

But I can tell you this, you have no idea how far off in breadth and depth whatever assumptions you made that compelled you to make that first post are.

Next time I suggest instead of highlighting portions of my own post that in your opinion should not be made, that make your own separate inquiry as whatever questions you may have. I don't think you were truly concerned about the safety of the participants more so than tooting your own own. And your comment about my representing the group, your comments show that you DEFINITELY do not know the group.

Fraggle, I hope you can make it out.

atb

And cooley, you've been on rennlist for almost 3 years now. How about paying for admission to be able to state your opinion about other persons' posts?

fraggle

I might be able to make the september date. Since I almost died at that track on a bike, my wife might have some issues with me returning... and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a little hesitant, even though I've been to PIR since...

Tom928

The main reason I was going as a bystander was lack of tires for the 81; however, I just purchased new tires for the 84. The 81 has 15" phone dials and the 84 has 16" slots. Maybe I put the 16" slots on the 81 for TA and do it!!

So if that works then I'm going and participating.
With that in mind - a couple questions;
What equipment (driving or safety) do I need to bring?
With no fuel at the track - do I bring extra??

cooleyjb

What does this have to do with anything but if you must know, I don't have one now but I have about 30 track days in one dating back to the mid-90's.

When you talk about newbies taking out passengers on Spokane Raceway after two hours of track time is why I made that assumption.

I was concerned about safety and about suggesting that a newbie would probably be running solo in less than a day and taking passengers out as well. Everyone thinks their group is the safest out there. People should be more humble.


What does this have to do with anything. Why must you act so aggressive and childish towards me. You are taking this personally. I posted a valid comment about beginning drivers having the chance at running on a course that as you state "up to 145mph for a stock S4" with passengers.

ablose58

OH HECK, iffin hell doesn't freeze over and the rivers don't rise I should be a GO for this one I hope

Shane

Bring a helmut if you have one otherwise you can rent one at the track.
Warm cloths, including gloves, as it can be windy and chilly in Spokane in April.
Large garbage bags to store your items that you pull from the car, like floor mats and such.
There are several gas stations close to the track. Most guys run till lunch and then refuel both the cars and themselves, as there is a Burgerking and McD's there as well.



Cooley-- What year 928 did you own?

cooleyjb

I drove a 78 928 that had some suspension/brake upgrades, euro cams, so on. First DE was in the early 90's about a week after my 16th Brithday and I went from there. It's still in the family just not my personal car. It recently had a major suspension failure followed by the typical rod bearing issue and is being rebuilt. It might make its way to the event if the engine is done in time. If you want to know what it looks like it's on page 113 of Dec 2006 Excellence. It was orginally a brown metallic but after the trailing arm failed 10 miles away from a DE and it went over a steep hill it was given a new color.

Also to the list that Shane had I would also bring a small tarp. I never use them for anything in particular but in early/late season events they always have an important role.

atb

Tom928 wrote:

A couple of guys will bring Pop-ups Tom, so you will have a place to keep your stuff, but as Shane mentions, putting in plastic bags helps.
I would suggest bringing a couple extra quarts of oil, some ATF for your PS reservoir, and an extra jug of distilled water for your rad. A bottle of windex with some paper towel is also good to clean the windshield for both on the track, and the ride there and back.

If you need the contact info, send me an email or a PM and I'll give you the details.

I'm going to be organizing a tech inspection day a few weeks ahead of the event if there is enough interest. You'd have to drive up to my and Tom M.'s shop in Tacoma, but we could put your car on the lift and go through it with you. If your interested, let me know.

You're going to have a great time, look forward to seeing you in Spokane.

atb

cooley wrote:
You need to follow your own advice grasshoppa.

This thread is an invitation to invite other 928 owners to a long standing Pac NW 928 semi-annual event . Your post does nothing towards furthering that purpose. It does just the opposite.

You don't own a 928, you don't know anything about the event, or the people that attend or instruct. Your presumptions lack any humility whatsoever.

Your hypocracy is a joke. You see fit to judge the nature of my invitation for its apparent lack of safety of others, and yet you seem to be eager to come the event yourself. Where is the humility there.

Here's what you need to do Cooley if you want a do-over on this. You need to delete your initial post. It is unwarranted and baseless. You need to keep your assumptions to yourself.

If you can locate a 928 to drive at the event , and are wiling to save your comments for after experiencing the event first hand, I will be happy to send you contact information to sign up. After having been to the Track Attack, you can post up a storm on Rennlist for all I care regarding your concerns (after paying for a membership, don't be a troll).

In the meantime, stop being so presumptious.

cooleyjb

My presumptions are based on your statements. If they are incorrect, then your statements must be inaccurate. If you think people are ready to be solo on that track and take passengers at speed so be it. I strongly disagree with that. It was warranted and based on your comments (assuming that they are true) about saying that was a possibility. Your only recourse so far has been to say that I am not a current 928 owner or a current paying member of Rennlist. Nowhere does it say that I need to be a member of rennlist to state an opinion, you even state that you hope certain people who are obivously not rennlist members be there but take exception to me who criticizes newbies being given such free rein.(hypocrisy much?)

As for me personally showing up to the event, why would I want to with the attitude you are giving me for voicing a concern about inexperienced drivers being able to quickly progress to solo driving with passengers. You are quite the opposite of welcoming and should realize that when you run an event like this you should try to address genuine concerns of people who might attend.

All that being said, I am through dealing with you about these issues. You aren't addressing them and you continually rebutt my comments with the fact that I am not a current 928 owner or a paying Rennlist member. Congrats, you are correct on those accounts but that has nothing to do with the fact that you are currently acting like the figurehead of this event and resorting to quasi-personal attacks in response to what I've said.

To everyone else involved with the event, I hope you have great weather and enjoy a safe, fun, and fast weekend.

pmotts

Right on both accounts, Adam is a class act.
Over the course of 14 of these events there has only been one bonehead who has wrecked his 928-
14 race days
minimum 8 928's per day
75? miles per day

So about 8400 miles +/- and one bonehead, not too bad... unless you're me.
Jim

Tom928

Adam - Tacoma is only 3 hrs away and it would be great to have the car checked before TA so if there are any issues I will have some time to correct them. Count me in on the tech inspect at the shop.

cooleyjb

He probably is in real life but he hasn't shown it in this thread. I'll admit I came off pretty harsh in the first post but they were, and still are valid concerns which he has yet to really address beyond me not currently owning a 928 or being a rennlist member.

I'm not sure what your point is other than you vouch for Adam but he hasn't supported your statement towards me so far. I hope you were okay and the car was an easy fix too. FWIW a group I used to run with has around 25 trackdays and 0 wrecked cars with just as much track time per day. The stats of one wrecked car over 14 events isn't bad but not something I'd say is good thing either.