IcemanG17

Okay here is the scenario.....you magically stumble upon a large chunk of $$$....& decide to build the baddest 928 racecar (track or ORR your choice) ever made...were talking cost is no object type stuff......what would you do and why??

My ideas:
Track Shark
Basically a mirror of Andersons car, with a touch more carbonfiber-titanium (if possible to save weight) custom Motons or Penske shocks-hypercoil springs...custom swaybars.....18" 320 front/345 rear wheels/tires...15" PCCB brakes (also weight), wicked 6.5+L stroker with 52mm ITB and motec management...pushing 600+whp.....possibly a custom 6 speed tranny from the 968 turbo.....goal.....break 1:30's at laguna.....mid 1:30's at sears....mid 1:50's at thunderhill

ORR shark:
Similar to above but narrow body with near stock width 18" wheels-tires & GTS brakes...fuel cell-full cage....5.5L high rpm twin turbo engine.....possibly 1000+hp....might require the AMG internal automatic transmission to handle the HP? but since price is not an object braking trannys would be fun..goal 230+mph.

Yes I'm bored...but should make for an interesting discussion!

danglerb

I would buy a nice sized semi boonie plot of land, build guest facilities for a dozen or two people, and giant garage and workshop, and a dozen OB sharks, and put in a track around the place, and make a racing resort. Come, spend a week of racing and shop time, perfect vacation. Think about how nice it would be to wake up in the morning knowing you could have all the track time you wanted that day.

Medium fast where I don't die when I F U appeals to me. Fast enough to slide around, but not so fast that flipping and other nasties get too likely.

Rick Carter

I'd start with a rule book for the class(es) I'd be in, realizing that the rules will be changed as my driver (I wouldn't be able to drive the ultimate, and realisticly any, race car) dominates. But since money is no object I would keep the car evolving to stay ahead of the curve. A tube frame would nice and custom gearboxes to swap out for different tracks and conditions as well as different tire compounds. I'd probably need at least one semi-trailer with the extra engine(s) corner balances, computers etc.

fabric

I'd put the engine behind the drivers seat.

Mike Frye

Brian,

Cool idea. I would build a track car from the ground up, replacing every part I could find with carbon fiber and drilled out pieces wherever possible to save weight. I'd start with an '85-'86 5 speed, build a 6.5L stroker as you said, sunroof delete, move the battery forward to where the rear seats used to be, roll cage and some really nice suspension and track tires.

Danglerb,

Yours is a different topic entirely, but I like the idea a lot. Basically you changed the question to: what 928 related thing would you do with unlimited funds? The 928 friendly track and resort is a really cool idea. The fully equipped shops with lifts would be a serious bonus. Kind of like a fantasy camp for car guys. Sounds cool.

heinrich

Don hanson's stroked GNARLY928, or Mark Anderson's stroked racecar are IMHO the two that set the standard.

Scott M.

See Tom Falkenberg, he may just have an extra race car for sale very soon.

mark kibort

I know what it takes to break 1:30, and if a 928 is to do this, it has to be lighter and incorporate more aero effects. cuts in the hood and fenders for increased downforce and possibly less wing setting than anderson has now. Plus , the car needs to be lowered even further. At the level that mark's car is at, more hp doesnt do the trick,now its the real expensive stuff, handling and tuning.

a porsche supercup car with near 400rwhp can break 1:30s on DOTs now at near 2700lbs
The RSRs have near 420rwhp and can run 1:26s on slicks. why????? see above.

after learing first hand the aero effects of hood openings, and wing settings, its clear that there is a lot of time to be made up in this area. Don Hansons car was more heaviliy tired , had as much HP as andersons car, and was only as fast as the holbert car is now, and he was running slicks too! still running my time of 1:39s - Lots of factors as to why!

The ULTIMATE, would be the above , but as we all know, it would last 4-5 seasons and be based on 20 year old technology! it could beat any thing out there at the track, even ALMS GT cars, and would be much cheaper to operate and be operated by a single man team. its the only car i can think of that can do what ive been doing with it, and what could be done with it at the highest level of performance seen by a production based car (non tubed frame)


mk

IcemanG17

I've always looked at a racecars performance as a "triangle" with three sides of 1. power 2. handling 3. braking with weight being right in the middle of the triangle and the single biggest factor that effects all others.....

I did hear Bob Devore got one of his insane stroker cars to 2300lbs....."but" it was seriously cut down too...

It can be done, but would take lots of $$$$......it would be as fast as GT3RSR's.....or faster.....since Anderson can beat those on occasion.....but like anything else for a slight gain in performance it costs a square factor of $$$$ to get a improvement.....look at how much more expensive Hanson or Andersons strokers are compared to the Holbert car......but the holbert car is "unique"

adam928

Maybe a tube framed silouette 928 racer?

Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net

Looks like John Veninger may be looking to set a new standard, check out the dyno chart:
http://928racing.net/JohnVeningerRacecar.htm

mark kibort

Actally, the way the JV car is set up, it only has the power part taken care of. by the way, was that converted to flywheel HP? what was the rear wheel hp?

anyway, without lowering it further, a front splitter and rear wing, and a wider track,with bigger front tires, it maybe will crack a 1:25 at Road America.

again, Hansons car was only marginally faster than my car (stockish S4) at laguna and Sears. My 1:39.0 vs hansons 1:38.7 at laguna and 1:46.9 vs my 1:47.9 at sears.

Anderson and Fans car still set the bar!

now, if we are just talkin dyno-run-off, then i think the devek car engine hit the high water mark, or the louie Ott motor.

Mk

John V

Thats impressive!

mark kibort

I dont know if its the single biggest factor, but it does effect the other two!
keep in mind, for those of you that know racing, the Audi S4 and Audi RS6 both weighed over 3400llbs and ran 2:14 at road america on DOTs.
this shows what all of the triangle packed can do, without any respect to weight. For those of you that dont know Road America, andersons best best time, on slicks, in near perfect conditions was 2:18.xx most of the top, pro driven RSRs and newer ALMS GT3RS monsters, run 2:16ish on club weekends

MK

mark kibort

It is impressive, but the average HP from 4500 to 6500rpm is near 413rwhp.

(465peakrwhp and 361hp at 4500rpm)

It certainly shows that this design will probably last forever, while you could get a 425rwhp engine to be built to run to 7000-7200rpm and have an average hp of 413rwhp and certainly it wouldnt last as long.

I just noticed he had the big meats up front too. now, my predition is that he would be more likely 2:25 at road america. put on a big wing, big splitter, maybe do some of the hood venting and fender venting, and he could be down in the low 2:20s.

LET'S see the pics of the new OTT equiped engine!!!!

mk