200 MPH SPOILER ??
#16
Just out of curiosity what has been done to the engine to withstand that much pressure for that much time ? Just because the jetting is rated for a certain HP increase does not always have the same results on all applications. Only the dyno lets you know what it is really producing. Most engines doing what you want are very stout with over 500 horse off the bottle. Even then the ride is in 10 seconds or less. An average 10 second juice boost of 100 horse consumes 1 LB. Just curious what your setup is.
#17
Don't worry about the rolling resistance, it will be the least of your worries at that speed! More important is the aero. Narrower front tires maybe, and tape up the seams around the hood and over the headlights.
#18
Brett
Two issues........cleaning up drag (Deveks done it with success).....and make some monster HP....nitrous will do it....but how long with the engine last?? 200mph shouldn't be a problem.....just make sure your tires are new and properly rated!
Two issues........cleaning up drag (Deveks done it with success).....and make some monster HP....nitrous will do it....but how long with the engine last?? 200mph shouldn't be a problem.....just make sure your tires are new and properly rated!
#19
Mount it upside down front and rear and get airborne. This way you'll have zero rolling resistance.
Now, serious, at that speeds even the most even surface consumes a lot of suspension travel. One episode of bump steer, cross wind, uneven grip, driver hesitate in the steering wheel (bugs in the windshield don't cause this, but birds is a different thing) at that speeds and your ride will swap ends in a breeze without the rear wing.
Front splitter + hood vent is a good idea, lowering body (with much stiffer springs and shocks) could also be useful, although tricky. Of course take mirrors away and tape cooler or make good use of the adjustable flaps of it. But, if I were you, I would keep your wing where it is.
Now, serious, at that speeds even the most even surface consumes a lot of suspension travel. One episode of bump steer, cross wind, uneven grip, driver hesitate in the steering wheel (bugs in the windshield don't cause this, but birds is a different thing) at that speeds and your ride will swap ends in a breeze without the rear wing.
Front splitter + hood vent is a good idea, lowering body (with much stiffer springs and shocks) could also be useful, although tricky. Of course take mirrors away and tape cooler or make good use of the adjustable flaps of it. But, if I were you, I would keep your wing where it is.
#20
Originally Posted by BRETT AINLEY
Hi
There is around 1/4 of a mile of shut down ...if I think its needed I will put a chute on it....but I think my brakes are good enough...hopefully
All the best Brett
There is around 1/4 of a mile of shut down ...if I think its needed I will put a chute on it....but I think my brakes are good enough...hopefully
All the best Brett
#22
Originally Posted by BRETT AINLEY
and then hitting my Nitrous (around 800 to possibly 1000 hp in total)
Who knows about aerodynamics ???
I need some help...
I need some help...
Could the spoilers, particularly the rear spoiler be designed to
create UPFORCE...so I would get LESS rolling resistance ????????
create UPFORCE...so I would get LESS rolling resistance ????????
But after reading the first book, you'll realize that it's not a good idea. Not even remotely.
#23
I agree with the others on this thread. I would not want to have any hint of lift at that speed. The car would be way too unstable and one wobble or crosswind hit and it could seriously upset the car and you will be in for the ride of your life, literally. Just watch old (and not so old) footage of speed record runs at the Utah Salt Flats.
Devek would shrink wrap the front of the car to eliminate drag on their high speed runs at the open road races, Holbert used narrower wheels with higher than normal tire pressures during his land speed 928 runs, the flag style rear mirrors should be removed and as Nicole said, clean up the underbody, but don't try to induce lift.
You might want to talk to someone who actually has done speed runs too. Wally P. comes to mind...
My $00.02 worth.
Constantine
Devek would shrink wrap the front of the car to eliminate drag on their high speed runs at the open road races, Holbert used narrower wheels with higher than normal tire pressures during his land speed 928 runs, the flag style rear mirrors should be removed and as Nicole said, clean up the underbody, but don't try to induce lift.
You might want to talk to someone who actually has done speed runs too. Wally P. comes to mind...
My $00.02 worth.
Constantine
#24
Originally Posted by ZEUS+
Just out of curiosity what has been done to the engine to withstand that much pressure for that much time ? Just because the jetting is rated for a certain HP increase does not always have the same results on all applications. Only the dyno lets you know what it is really producing. Most engines doing what you want are very stout with over 500 horse off the bottle. Even then the ride is in 10 seconds or less. An average 10 second juice boost of 100 horse consumes 1 LB. Just curious what your setup is.
My system will be as follows....I will replace my usual 11 lb bottle with 2 x 14 lb bottles that will probably be boosted by Nitrogen (in a third small bottle)
This will keep the pressure up to 950 psi as the Nitrogen bottle produces 3000 psi and as you correctly say , usually Nitrous is run for 10 seconds and the pressure drops towards the end of a run....but the Nitrogen will keep it constant for as long as I wish to keep the Nitrous armed and running...
At the moment my Nitrous on 150 hp jetting is producing 168 hp at the rear wheels....for these attempts at top speed runs I will increase the jetting to around 500 jetting which will give me a total of over 800 hp..to do this WITHOUT a HUGE torque hit on the transmission needs very precise electronic control....and I will be using the new MAXX EXTREME controller from the Wizards of Nos...
I will also be trying this year to take ALL the UK ..Porsche standing 1/4 mile records and also ALL the Porsche ..standing mile records...with the system above...
IF ....all goes well.....I "may" try to take the Bugatti Veryon standing quarter record as well.....which is 10 seconds dead....lol
All the best Brett
#26
Originally Posted by BRETT AINLEY
Hi
There is around 1/4 of a mile of shut down ...if I think its needed I will put a chute on it....but I think my brakes are good enough...hopefully
All the best Brett
There is around 1/4 of a mile of shut down ...if I think its needed I will put a chute on it....but I think my brakes are good enough...hopefully
All the best Brett
Harvey
#27
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Originally Posted by Hughett
I don't think a 1/4 mile is a safe braking distance. Risky.
Harvey
Harvey
Since I don’t have any experience in running N2O I’m not going to make any suggestions but I am curious to know if the 928 engine can handle that much more extra hp for any period of time.
#28
Hi
Hmmm...hadnt really thought about braking distance from 200...anyone want to work it out for me lol ??
Although mine is an S2...it has the S4 Brakes and suspension...if it helps....
All the best Brett
Hmmm...hadnt really thought about braking distance from 200...anyone want to work it out for me lol ??
Although mine is an S2...it has the S4 Brakes and suspension...if it helps....
All the best Brett
#29
This is deja vu from a Formula 1 race a few years ago now. The car, a Jordan I believe with Heinz Harald Frentzen at the wheel, comes around a right hander on to the main straight and as he gains more and more speed the front of the car lifts completely off the ground send it completely into the air doing a somersault. I recall it landed on its wheels and the drivers was ok but man what a ride.
Anyone got that on video?
Be very careful Brett.
Anyone got that on video?
Be very careful Brett.
#30
Originally Posted by Constantine
I would not want to have any hint of lift at that speed.
Just my $0.02