Pics: 928-powered 914....Man, I'd love to have this car
11-16-2006, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by JEC_31
Silliness is not the goal for such a project, Mark - the goal is INSANITY!
Here's what I would do:
1) Obtain one used all-out 914-based racecar, all suspension and aerodynamic mods not only done but well-sorted.
2) Obtain one used/rebuilt 4.7L US-spec 928 complete motor.
3) Obtain one large centrifugal supercharger, perhaps a Murph kit for the good bracket, plus intercooler, oil coolers, ducting, standalone engine management, etc.
4) You can guess the rest... oh and BTW Michigan's street-legal registration laws are pretty loose...
Here's what I would do:
1) Obtain one used all-out 914-based racecar, all suspension and aerodynamic mods not only done but well-sorted.
2) Obtain one used/rebuilt 4.7L US-spec 928 complete motor.
3) Obtain one large centrifugal supercharger, perhaps a Murph kit for the good bracket, plus intercooler, oil coolers, ducting, standalone engine management, etc.
4) You can guess the rest... oh and BTW Michigan's street-legal registration laws are pretty loose...
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11-16-2006, 06:28 PM
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Renegade shows a 928 for sale ....."This is Mike's personal ride and he is very proud of his handy work. If you have been looking for a 5 speed 928, you know they are hard to come by. If you are actually looking for one with some real horse power, that is nearly impossible. If you would like it to be affordable, then you are just about out of luck unless you would like to consider this particular Porsche in your garage!
This 430+ HP, roller rocker, aluminum head and intake, Chevy 350, V-8 powered, sport/touring car, has all the ***** to pull past just about anything you might find on the road, but it will do it with comfort and class.
With less than 4000 miles on the motor, zero miles on many of the interior parts (like the freshly reupholstered seats) and very few miles on the tires, this car is complete and ready for the street or maybe even the track.
The genuine Porsche 993 turbo twist chrome rims accent the package with a little touch of style, while the late model rear wing finishes off the exterior with a sporty appeal.
Over 29K invested within the last 10 months...
Serious offers considered over 19K.
Since these pictures were added we have added a Holley fuel injection system and spent countless hours getting it tuned to run properly, Completely rebuilt the transaxle with new synchros, and an 80% limited Slip.
This car has ALL of our good stuff done to it........." Anyone else note the "Over 29K invested within the last 10 months...Serious offers considered over 19K." ..........Or how to make $10,000 plus disappear in 10 months.
This 430+ HP, roller rocker, aluminum head and intake, Chevy 350, V-8 powered, sport/touring car, has all the ***** to pull past just about anything you might find on the road, but it will do it with comfort and class.
With less than 4000 miles on the motor, zero miles on many of the interior parts (like the freshly reupholstered seats) and very few miles on the tires, this car is complete and ready for the street or maybe even the track.
The genuine Porsche 993 turbo twist chrome rims accent the package with a little touch of style, while the late model rear wing finishes off the exterior with a sporty appeal.
Over 29K invested within the last 10 months...
Serious offers considered over 19K.
Since these pictures were added we have added a Holley fuel injection system and spent countless hours getting it tuned to run properly, Completely rebuilt the transaxle with new synchros, and an 80% limited Slip.
This car has ALL of our good stuff done to it........." Anyone else note the "Over 29K invested within the last 10 months...Serious offers considered over 19K." ..........Or how to make $10,000 plus disappear in 10 months.
11-16-2006, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Ron_H
I give anyone credit for trying, and even for partially succeeding, rather than passing it all off and making excuses for failure. I have seen the car. As I recall, he said then that there were issues. Of course there were issues, and one of them is torsional rigidity. He said he will address them, and no doubt he has. Perhaps he has solved this problem in other ways using braces not visible in the photos. Personally, I'm one of those purists I guess because I have a 914/6 and two engines; one is an original six (well, almost original...an original case 2.0L), and the other is a better than RS spec hot rod 2.7L MFI. I hate to think about how much is in the 2.7L but it is a Porsche engine all the way including the MFI pump. And I agonize over fender flares for the car which would make possible larger brakes and rubber. And personally, I would not want a 914-chev hybrid for the same snobby reasons. But if someone wants one, its his car. I know a guy at my gym who just yesterday asked me how he could put a Chevy into a 914 for fun 'cause he understands chevvies and not Porsche engines. That's cool for me. He doesn't want to go through the learning curve to know the quirks of the P car engines, so I turned him on to Renegade Hybrids. My only real concern with the 928 in a 914 is the difference in length and I spoke with the man who built the 914 with extended wheelbase that I saw in Monterey, and he had lots of agonizing stories to tell of the transformation and pain to achieve that result. The chevy eliminates that pain for some. For the guy that built this 928 hot rod, it obviously isn't pain; it is passion.
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11-16-2006, 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by BrendanC
And spin it would. Every 914 I have seen at an AX that spins or loses the line, SPINS LIKE A TOP. As in a two 360s before I could blink.
11-16-2006, 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim bailey - 928 International
This car has ALL of our good stuff done to it........." Anyone else note the "Over 29K invested within the last 10 months...Serious offers considered over 19K." ..........Or how to make $10,000 plus disappear in 10 months.
Apparently he's gambling $10K that the work he did will pay off somehow in the end.
11-17-2006, 09:28 AM
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07-28-2007, 03:43 AM
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Hey all,
I just stumbled onto this thread. Some of your comments are quite humbling. Thank you. Some of you I've met. Some of you have seen my work in progress. There seems to be some interest so I'll share some of my thoughts and inspiration.
There was a comment here about this car being a classic hot rod. Very astute observation. I have always worked on cars. Since I was very young I was interested in how mechanical things work. In another life I may have done well as an engineer. In this life I consider myself a reverse engineer.
I've built lots of cars. I used to drag race a 66 Chevelle with a 650 hp big block back in the day.
I use to own a collision and resto shop. So fabrication is a natural part of what I do.
I stumbled onto a 914 for sale about 15 years ago and bought it. It spent about 2 years in the shop before emerging with a flared black paint job and a fresh stock 4 cylinder. I drove the car about 10 times over two summers and never really got inspired due to the lazy 1.7. I started looking into my options for some real hp. The 911 6 was an expensive option and I couldn't bring myself to do a Chevy. I wanted to keep the car all Porsche.
I had a friend that had a 1979 Silver with pascha shark. I loved that car! I always though it should have a glass hood. I was very impressed with the engine and always thought it would look cool in a hot rod.
While doing some consulting work on the kit car 928 roadster eventually built by Spyder Werks. I took some measurements. The 928 engine is 7" longer than a chevy. But with some tweeking I knew I could fit this sexy beast in my 914. I did some research on the internet but never really found anyone that had done this. About 6 months into my conversion I was sent a copy of the Pano with the Moody Blue 914/928.
Sorry I thought the car was fugly. The "engineers" moved the assembly approximately 5" to the rear to fit it in the car. This moved the rear wheels back.
From the side the car looks like a tow truck without the boom. After reading the article it seemed the builders weren't after a 914 with a V8 but used the 914 because it was mid engined. After they went through all the work of changing the wheel base I recall they reflect on the fact that they could have built a car from scratch easier. They were attempting to end up with a car like the 917.
My goal was to build an all porsche super car. One like Porsche should have built. One Porsche could have built. I wanted to maintain the appearance of the 914 and install the most exotic V8 ever built.
Also during my conversion more info emerged about 2 cars built by the same guy in Germany. One with a euro spec "S" engine and one with an "S4" I have photos of both cars but could never reach the guy to swap stories and ideas.
Well without draggin this story out too much further I eventually located an engine and the rest is history now. Some of you have read my thread on the 914world.com site so you know what it took to build the car.
My thoughts on the end result? This car is a serious sports car. The power is like mashing the throttle on my drag car except when I want to turn I still have that option. I'm working on the handling yet but it's coming around. I'm surprised the chassis handles this kind of brut force. As I work to develop the car it will only get better. The bulk head panel is removable but attached to a strong box structure. This removable panel did not effect the chassis at all.
Would I do it again? In a heart beat! The power and handling are far beyond what I expected and it will only get better As I improve things. Like the new tires I just installed, 245/50/16's on 9" fuch wheels and 225/50/16's on 8" fuch weels, stiffer rear springs and the 4130 swaybar I just fabricated.
Future plans? Chassis stiffening, maybe a cage... maybe not.
The most recent development; I just had a my engine self destruct. I'm not sure what happened yet but I hope to pull it apart soon. I think I dropped a seat. I started it up, I had a loud rapping then parts broke. As I stood there in shock I heard water trickling into the oil pan.
Next one will be a Hybrid. Stay tuned!
I just stumbled onto this thread. Some of your comments are quite humbling. Thank you. Some of you I've met. Some of you have seen my work in progress. There seems to be some interest so I'll share some of my thoughts and inspiration.
There was a comment here about this car being a classic hot rod. Very astute observation. I have always worked on cars. Since I was very young I was interested in how mechanical things work. In another life I may have done well as an engineer. In this life I consider myself a reverse engineer.
I've built lots of cars. I used to drag race a 66 Chevelle with a 650 hp big block back in the day.
I use to own a collision and resto shop. So fabrication is a natural part of what I do.
I stumbled onto a 914 for sale about 15 years ago and bought it. It spent about 2 years in the shop before emerging with a flared black paint job and a fresh stock 4 cylinder. I drove the car about 10 times over two summers and never really got inspired due to the lazy 1.7. I started looking into my options for some real hp. The 911 6 was an expensive option and I couldn't bring myself to do a Chevy. I wanted to keep the car all Porsche.
I had a friend that had a 1979 Silver with pascha shark. I loved that car! I always though it should have a glass hood. I was very impressed with the engine and always thought it would look cool in a hot rod.
While doing some consulting work on the kit car 928 roadster eventually built by Spyder Werks. I took some measurements. The 928 engine is 7" longer than a chevy. But with some tweeking I knew I could fit this sexy beast in my 914. I did some research on the internet but never really found anyone that had done this. About 6 months into my conversion I was sent a copy of the Pano with the Moody Blue 914/928.
Sorry I thought the car was fugly. The "engineers" moved the assembly approximately 5" to the rear to fit it in the car. This moved the rear wheels back.
From the side the car looks like a tow truck without the boom. After reading the article it seemed the builders weren't after a 914 with a V8 but used the 914 because it was mid engined. After they went through all the work of changing the wheel base I recall they reflect on the fact that they could have built a car from scratch easier. They were attempting to end up with a car like the 917.
My goal was to build an all porsche super car. One like Porsche should have built. One Porsche could have built. I wanted to maintain the appearance of the 914 and install the most exotic V8 ever built.
Also during my conversion more info emerged about 2 cars built by the same guy in Germany. One with a euro spec "S" engine and one with an "S4" I have photos of both cars but could never reach the guy to swap stories and ideas.
Well without draggin this story out too much further I eventually located an engine and the rest is history now. Some of you have read my thread on the 914world.com site so you know what it took to build the car.
My thoughts on the end result? This car is a serious sports car. The power is like mashing the throttle on my drag car except when I want to turn I still have that option. I'm working on the handling yet but it's coming around. I'm surprised the chassis handles this kind of brut force. As I work to develop the car it will only get better. The bulk head panel is removable but attached to a strong box structure. This removable panel did not effect the chassis at all.
Would I do it again? In a heart beat! The power and handling are far beyond what I expected and it will only get better As I improve things. Like the new tires I just installed, 245/50/16's on 9" fuch wheels and 225/50/16's on 8" fuch weels, stiffer rear springs and the 4130 swaybar I just fabricated.
Future plans? Chassis stiffening, maybe a cage... maybe not.
The most recent development; I just had a my engine self destruct. I'm not sure what happened yet but I hope to pull it apart soon. I think I dropped a seat. I started it up, I had a loud rapping then parts broke. As I stood there in shock I heard water trickling into the oil pan.
Next one will be a Hybrid. Stay tuned!
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07-28-2007, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by 918-S
Hey all,
I just stumbled onto this thread.
...
Next one will be a Hybrid. Stay tuned!
I just stumbled onto this thread.
...
Next one will be a Hybrid. Stay tuned!
One of my fav old threads gets new life!
Love the car, excellent work there. Inspirational!
Say, while you've got the expired motor out, could you get some pics of your chassis reinforcement boxing? We love the technical details.
- Josh
04-04-2008, 01:17 AM
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In case anyone is interested...
I just purchased a set of 5.0 pistons that were cut for euro"S" heads. As soon as they arrive their off the the machine shop with a 4.7L block I have to be fitted. I told you I would do a Hybrid.
When they come back I'm going to install my euro "S" top end and the Alien gets a HP boost!
Am I stoked? Oh ya, I'm stoked!
I just purchased a set of 5.0 pistons that were cut for euro"S" heads. As soon as they arrive their off the the machine shop with a 4.7L block I have to be fitted. I told you I would do a Hybrid.
When they come back I'm going to install my euro "S" top end and the Alien gets a HP boost!
Am I stoked?
Oh ya, I'm stoked!
Last edited by 918-S; 04-04-2008 at 01:43 AM.
Hi Jim, I'm gunna need me some parts. We'll be talkin
04-27-2008, 11:01 PM
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FYI: Murphy is a cruel and unusual dude when it comes to punishment some days. I snapped off a head stud inside the block I was going to send to the machine shop. Got 19 out of 20...
12-03-2008, 12:12 AM
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Time for an update. It goes without saying the 928 engine is the coolest looking thing on the planet. It's so mechanical and purposeful in design. Sometimes I wish these were as common as a small block chevy. There has got to be so much untapped hp waiting to be discovered.
Anywho... some of you may know during the assembly of my hybrid I discovered the reason I destroyed two fresh M28/11 "S" engines. One had about 200 miles on it when a valve came in contact with a piston. The result was a cracked block, busted piston, and seriously busted head and valves.
I changed the block, broken piston, had the head repaired and re-assembled the engine. The same thing happened cranking the thing over with the starter.
Seeing how I was fresh out of 4.7 blocks, I purchased a set of 5.0 pistons and had one of the damaged 4.7 blocks bored to 5.0. During the assembly I discovered I had a broken left "S" cam. This is what caused the start of a down hill spiral, and bucket of money and allot of down time.
Wanting to make a 914 event this past fall, I installed a set of US cams. Man those things were lame.
Thanks to one of the Rennlisters here I was able to get a set of "S" cams. The engine will come back out later this winter and the cams will go in. Next summer should be a blast!
Thanks to Fred and all the other guys that were pulling for me. The Alien may be in California again this Spring. I hope to take a trip East this year too. Maybe I'll see some of you all again!
Anywho... some of you may know during the assembly of my hybrid I discovered the reason I destroyed two fresh M28/11 "S" engines. One had about 200 miles on it when a valve came in contact with a piston. The result was a cracked block, busted piston, and seriously busted head and valves.
I changed the block, broken piston, had the head repaired and re-assembled the engine. The same thing happened cranking the thing over with the starter.
Seeing how I was fresh out of 4.7 blocks, I purchased a set of 5.0 pistons and had one of the damaged 4.7 blocks bored to 5.0. During the assembly I discovered I had a broken left "S" cam. This is what caused the start of a down hill spiral, and bucket of money and allot of down time.
Wanting to make a 914 event this past fall, I installed a set of US cams. Man those things were lame.
Thanks to one of the Rennlisters here I was able to get a set of "S" cams. The engine will come back out later this winter and the cams will go in. Next summer should be a blast!
Thanks to Fred and all the other guys that were pulling for me. The Alien may be in California again this Spring. I hope to take a trip East this year too. Maybe I'll see some of you all again!