RyanPerrella

it wont be called 928, lets not fool ourselves and think it will.

Porsche dosent call its current cars 911's they are marketed more as "carreras" Rarely do you see any Porsche advertising refering to the car as a 911, instead its Carrera. Owners refer them to 993's or 996's or 997, due to porsches internal development codes, this new coupe/sedan wont be called 928

if anything i sugest it to be closer to 989 like the 4 door 911 which was shelved in the 90's If anything the Panamera is development of that car, NOT the 928

Porsche has confirmed the 4 door car, the 2 door coupe as of this minute is simply speculation, it makes sense but porsche is readying a 4 door car not a 2 door. Again I makes sense for them to make a 2 door as there is a huge GT market now. But I assure you IT WILL NEVER BE CALLED 928!

RyanPerrella

Also, as stated previously, if you read into Porsches current (last 5 years or so) naming strategy, they dont use numbers, They arent selling 944's 928's or 911's, they sell Cayman's, Boxsters, Cayennes, Panamera's, Carreras, the exceptions have to be the GT3's i guess but as for naming, I think its obvious someone high up in the markleting department at Porsche decided enough with numbers starting with 9's, lets give out cars a name.

Also I think someone also stated you cant copyright a number, but you can a name. That may or may not have anything to do with the decision for all the names we have now.

Flott Leben

Remember, you are looking at an artist’s rendition not the Porsche design sheets.

We are all talking about the 2 door coupe that Porsche is contemplating, not the 4 door Panamera.

That, exactly, is Porsche's market for this car. This will not be a car for the masses (as if any Porsche truly was).

Instant history and heritage for the model, tons of press on comparisons (which, again, has already started), a renewed interest in older water-cooled, front-engine Porsches, etc. Any publicity is good publicity.

I wouldn't get too caught up in it being called just "928." It would be a brilliant marketing move (best of both worlds) to call it a "928 Panamera" or "Panamera 928" or "Panamera, Type 928" or "928P" or "P928."

Porsche gave up on that rigorous numbering system long ago. Now internal designations have letters as well as numbers. So, call this one internal project number "928p1" or use the Panamera designation with a "928" tacked on the end.

That would be funny! But I suspect rennlist will create a new board for the new coupe. We all know how many 911-variant boards there are.

Excellent point. They are all doing it for a reason, aren't they?

Huh?? Does Porsche know this? Check their website. And talk to 911 owners. Besides, Porsche has been using (and putting only) the Carrera logo on certain 911s for 20+ years.

Very true. 9xx numbers confused the public after a while. But so do naming two cars with similarly sounding names - Cayenne and Cayman. Reviving a 9xx number would not be as confusing as creating a new 9xx number. I think the American public can handle two 9xx cars from Porsche. Besides, people do associate any 9xx car with Porsche.

Again, we are talking about the coupe here not the 4 door Panamera.

I believe people meant to use "trademark" not "copyright" for protecting model names and logos. You can trademark a number - if it has a distinct shape and form. Do a search on the USPTO website and you will see tons of registrations for numbers.

Other than personal opinion, what are you basing this assurance on?

I think Porsche will sit back and watch the press unfold, leak a rumor here and there, put the 928 idea out there and see what happens. Then the decision will be made about what to name a V8, front engine GT coupe. Regardless of the name, 928 comparisons will follow.

RyanPerrella

OK as to your quotes of others quotes,

To the point that your talking about the 2 door not the panamera!

DUDE THE 2 DOOR IS GOING TO BE A VERSION OF THE PANAMERA! SO YES WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE PANAMERA!

RyanPerrella

as to my post saying they dont call 911's 911's anymore, i am mistaken i just checked the porsche website and see that every targa, cabrio, coupe, 4 and whatever is refered to plainly as a 911 Carrera, as it should be frankly. I do recall however Porsche not including "911" in its literature for awhile and calling cars simply Carreras. However it dosent make much sense not to call it a 911 what with all the race wins and the history that goes along with the name "911"

Bill Coleman

Lots of speculation about a car that Porsche hasn't decided to build, or even officially admitted that they're considering building.

My guess is they won't be able to sell as many Panameras as they think and they'll need to rush a 2 door version into production to take advantage of the production capacity. But if the Panamera and the redesigned Cayenne sell well, there won't be as much reason to build a 2 door of any type, or at least not as soon.

RyanPerrella

Cayenne's actually arent selling that well, I dont have production or sales numbers but I believe they are selling about 50%-60% volume of what they were on initial model introduction. They arent a hot item anymore. They dont seem to have a very good resale value either but Ive only priced one before I could be completely off the mark on cayenne resale.

Bill Coleman

I believe you're right, but there's a completely redesigned Cayenne scheduled for 2010. That could certainly lead to better sales.

Here's one sketch that's been making the rounds. I like it much better than the current version.

RyanPerrella

Yeah thats pretty cool, wether thats a porsche scetch or an artists rendering could probably be anyones guess, i hope they drop the VW partnership in regards to this model and really try and seperate themselves from the next gen cayenne's this is much more in the porsche idea, looks like a taller profile panamera really. It sure dosent look like the most capable of 4x4's though.

It would be cool to see what porsche would do with a mandate to make the ultimate 4x4 survival truck ala the Land Rover defender, that would be a sight to see. Instead we will get a 4x4 grocery getter/kid hauler most likely.

Flott Leben

Given the fact that Porsche declined to call the fixed roof Cayman a "Boxster Coupe," I doubt that the V8 front engine coupe (if built) will be named a "Panamera Coupe" or for that matter, "Panamera anything." I was just throwing those names out as ways Porsche could crossbreed, so to speak, the Panamera and the 928 names. Porsche has definitely found clever ways to reuse platforms and modify them sufficiently to entitle them to use a new name for the new car (924 and 944; 912 and 911; Boxster and Cayman; or even Touareg and Cayenne). That trend is likley to continue with the Panamera platform. I doubt they will be satisfied with only get one use out of all that R&D, factory tooling and parts suppliers.

Fun stuff to discuss, though.

Flott Leben

Bill,

I just saw your posts:
I think that is more than likely but I don't think it will be a rush. They are already contemplating the coupe while they are designing the 4 door - makes sense.

Profit and $$ are pretty good motivators.

SharkSkin

If I squint at it just right, the butt shot does carry over some 928 cues, IMHO. I like!

Ron_H

Finally I get the chance to give an opinion on those incongruous round lights in the grille ala Cayman. They SUCK. If it was given to me, I would use a sawzall to cut the damned things out and go on about my way. They suck on the Cayman and they suck on this "whatever it is", too. Funny how design elements find their way in different combinations on each successive models, (ie: the nose of the 928 S4 and the 993, the wheel well edges on the 968 and the 993, etc.) The round lights are not consistent with the rest of the car. Fugly. I also hate the exhaust tips. When are we going to see a return to honesty and a move away from this Baroque overstyled crap tacked on to auto bodies. I want round exhaust tips that function as they are intended, period. We need to redefine classicism, and escape from the trend toward Baroque that began with the ovality of the Taurus and the 996 dashboard. Even the Taurus has abandoned that trite formal sewer. Form for form's sake. Ugh!
I would clean up the design Sharkskin posted to simplify everything. What's needed is to emply Butzi Porsche to clean this garbage up with his honesty and economy of form and line. Did I mention the disgust I have for the wheels in the top photo? Well, I do. And the forms that add nothing to the functionality of the design, and seek to add impact and zoominess, almost ricer-like tack on's like the whatever-it-is horizontal fin beneath the door. The original 928 is a far superior and honest form than this trite and bastardized conglomerate. Rant over.

SharkSkin

That's baroque? You must not have seen the Shark o' Lantern that was posted a few days ago.

The tips don't bother me in the least, nor the slightly rakish line that runs from the front fender and wraps around the bumper. It anchors the design, gives it weight IMHO. Now that you mention it, the front lights do look a bit incongruous. Maybe they will be options, and as you say there's always the trusty sawzall. I wanna take pics when you do it.

1slo928

The picture looks like allot like a viper coup. I think porsche is going to be making allot of there new caymans. From what I have read there Quality standings are moving up to the top from the low caused by the eary Cayennes.
Chris