ROLLING ROAD DAY = PORK (Porsche) VS BEEF (Tvr) Came second...
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Originally Posted by sweanders
How accurate is the dyno? Those numbers are all over the map..
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They are very accurate...last time we got my car tied down well enough ....it was accurate to within 1 hp ...
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Originally Posted by BRETT AINLEY
Hi All
Just got back from the Porsche vs TVR rolling road dyno competition...In UK![Smilie](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
I came second with ...505 HP (Crank) 500 Ft Lbs Torque (Crank)
Winner - TVR Cerbera with Nitrous...517 HP (Crank) 450 Ft Lbs Torque
Just got back from the Porsche vs TVR rolling road dyno competition...In UK
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I came second with ...505 HP (Crank) 500 Ft Lbs Torque (Crank)
Winner - TVR Cerbera with Nitrous...517 HP (Crank) 450 Ft Lbs Torque
Good show
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Originally Posted by D_Schultz
Sounds to me like you came first by a good 50 Ft Lbs.... Probably had a much broader torque curve as well!
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So 379.2 RWHP=505 CHP?
Is that a ~25% drivetrain loss conversion factor? Not trying to be negative, just trying to do the math. We are used to 18% loss for the automatics, which would be more like 414 CHP if my math is correct. Either way, nice results and I bet it is fun on the bottle.
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Is that a ~25% drivetrain loss conversion factor? Not trying to be negative, just trying to do the math. We are used to 18% loss for the automatics, which would be more like 414 CHP if my math is correct. Either way, nice results and I bet it is fun on the bottle.
Jim
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Originally Posted by Jim R.
So 379.2 RWHP=505 CHP?
Is that a ~25% drivetrain loss conversion factor? Not trying to be negative, just trying to do the math. We are used to 18% loss for the automatics, which would be more like 414 CHP if my math is correct. Either way, nice results and I bet it is fun on the bottle.
Jim
Is that a ~25% drivetrain loss conversion factor? Not trying to be negative, just trying to do the math. We are used to 18% loss for the automatics, which would be more like 414 CHP if my math is correct. Either way, nice results and I bet it is fun on the bottle.
Jim
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He had such problems holdiing it down and the autobox changing DOWN so much...sometimes 2 gears...that he had to look at all the partial runs and work out the hp and torque from those and this partial run....
Even this run had to be cut short at 5500 revs as hes was scared it would break loose... lol
And yes its HUGE fun when you hit the switch
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Originally Posted by sweanders
How about going back to the dyno and do a proper run to verify? It just doesn't seem right and I wonder where the 500+ figure comes from.
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Its not as easy as that lol...firstly I would have done a proper run IF we could...until I can figure out how to stop the kickdown activating totally its not possible...but I am back there soon anyway with the new MAXX progressive controller and over 600 hp (hopefully)
Eventually...I am aiming for 1000 hp...crank or wheels...not bothered which lol
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Originally Posted by Shane
Pull the kick down cable at the throttle linkage and pull the plug from the switch under the gas pedal next time. this keeps the car from kicking down and freaking out dyno operators. ![hiha](https://rennlist.com/forums/graemlins/roflmao.gif)
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I think it's safe to say that your car cannot possibly make 500BHP and 500ft-lbs with a 4.7 and no super/turbocharger. I can believe 379RWHP from a good nitrous system on an excellent 5-litre S4, but that calculates to 474 even if you assume a 20% drivetrain loss, and we have come to believe that there is not 20% but rather 16% loss. Which places your actual crank hp at 451. And you have a 4.7-litre whose breathing apparatus is known to be a massive restriction.
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Originally Posted by heinrich
I think it's safe to say that your car cannot possibly make 500BHP and 500ft-lbs with a 4.7 and no super/turbocharger. I can believe 379RWHP from a good nitrous system on an excellent 5-litre S4, but that calculates to 474 even if you assume a 20% drivetrain loss, and we have come to believe that there is not 20% but rather 16% loss. Which places your actual crank hp at 451. And you have a 4.7-litre whose breathing apparatus is known to be a massive restriction.
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Well...even on my partial run ..I got 379 at wheels (auto).....and I promise you that I will post a dyno here of my 16 valve with at LEAST ...500 rwhp...as soon as the progressive MAXX controller is fitted and I have moved up on jetting ....breathing doesnt matter with Nitrous....you are putting the extra oxygen straight into the cylinders...
As I mentioned....I am aiming for 1000 hp.....wheels or crank
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