SwayBar

Because YOU said it is a 13-second car right here in post #34:

https://rennlist.com/forums/showthre...=291467&page=3
Do you remember it now?

He may be a 'smart ***', but you appear to be a 'DUMB ***' since you can't even remember what you posted about your own car.

Since you seem to be new to the car scene, as someone else posted, a 13-second car is not considered 'fast', thus nothing to be 'jealous' over.

You mean like this one?

https://rennlist.com/forums/showthre...ger+turbo+carl

There are references in that thread to other GTech results which support the above. The punch-line is that the twin-turbo is only 3-tenths quicker in the quarter after completely rebuiling the motor, etc, etc, etc, etc. So for roughly guessing 3-times the cost, complexity, and resultant heat, you can go a whole 3-tenths quicker in the quarter.

You be the judge on the price per performance/complexity ratio.

A simple search reveals you did the same talking regarding 'GoldFinger', a more appropriate name since that's what the dyno results gave you, a big, gold, middle finger:

https://rennlist.com/forums/928-forum/225504-turbo.html

You completely rebuilt the engine, blah blah blah, twin-turbo this, torque-curve that, and it's output is 265 rwhp? All that engine work, all that money, and all that talk, and all it does is 265 rwhp; that's a bit underwhelming, don't you think given all that 'hype' of yours?

Twin-turbos, two peas in a pod, and doubly-dysfunctional personalities.

Tim Murphy

Pinks?

You want me to bring the "wife's" car or can I bring the other car? Both cars are stock 928 internals. Put your ***** where your mouth is and take the challenge, I'm totally in.

To the originator of this thread:
I was at Road America this weekend and viewed Carl Fausett's latest 16V stage one installation on a customers car and I must say that it was VERY NICE! Very impressed. I wouldn't say anything if I thought otherwise. If you want me to hook you up with the owner I would be happy to do so.

animal8526

oh yeah, my peace lover is now put aside... settle it like men, go for pinks. I would love to see this one... unfortunately, with tim murphy on one end, I think I know who will end up heavy an extra car... just my guess.

Larry928GTS

You might want to think that through before you make that suggestion. What are you going to do with that thing after you win it? Ebay? Remember that the "Goldmember" twin turbo had to be put on Ebay three times before somebody finally bought it. Wasn't it for sale for something like a year? You sure you want something that might end up being "yard art" for a while before you could find someone to take it off your hands.

animal8526

he could raffle it?

Abby Normal

Well done, hope you spell checked it.

As for their personalities: Maybe I'll let the DSM IV say it for me:
I'm not a psychologist but I can't say I've met someone more of a textbook narcissist than you two are portraying yourselves to be.


An all-pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behaviour), need for admiration or adulation and lack of empathy, usually beginning by early adulthood and present in various contexts. Five (or more) of the following criteria must be met:

Feels grandiose and self-important (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents to the point of lying, demands to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

Is obsessed with fantasies of unlimited success, fame, fearsome power or omnipotence, unequalled brilliance (the cerebral narcissist), bodily beauty or sexual performance (the somatic narcissist), or ideal, everlasting, all-conquering love or passion

Firmly convinced that he or she is unique and, being special, can only be understood by, should only be treated by, or associate with, other special or unique, or high-status people (or institutions)

Requires excessive admiration, adulation, attention and affirmation - or, failing that, wishes to be feared and to be notorious (narcissistic supply)

Feels entitled. Expects unreasonable or special and favorable priority treatment. Demands automatic and full compliance with his or her expectations

Is "interpersonally exploitative", i.e., uses others to achieve his or her own ends

Devoid of empathy. Is unable or unwilling to identify with or acknowledge the feelings and needs of others

Constantly envious of others or believes that they feel the same about him or her

Arrogant, haughty behaviours or attitudes coupled with rage when frustrated, contradicted, or confronted


Spell check it.

wetbehindtheears

Hi Chaps
Very very amusing thread, you all must be very good friends!

So... am I right in thinking that the initial solution to "Boosting the performance of an 84s" would be the exhaust?

At a guess I would say that my existing exhaust set-up cannot have too much life left in it, when I go out to replace it what is the scenario. I have had a look at 928int and can see the various exhaust parts, manifold and downpipes, middle section (x,y or h), cats, and muffler. So would you change them all? if not which parts matter?

Sorry about the lack of knowledge, Its been 20 years since I messed around with engines (motorcycles) I seem to have abused the part of my brain that retains information... memory ah thats it!


Paul
82 928S Auto Euro

hacker-pschorr

When you are here in September - take my 81 for a spin.

My current setup:
1. 85-86 manifolds (just installed, dyno will be soon to measure any gains)
2. Stainless Y (thanks Mark A). This was installed / dyno'd with the blower before the manifolds went on.
3. Hybrid Murf928 kit - only 16V version to be produced. Project started before I knew about Carl @ 928motorsports. His kit is awesome - Rick Slater should be at the party with his recently installed 928 Motorsports kit on his 84.
4. Open exhaust except for a Borla muffler - Not much in measurable performance, sure is fun though.

I’ve been thinking about future modifications for more power. This car is such a blast to drive at 6psi, not sure adding heads, cams etc.. is really worth the money. I am going to start upping the boost once I install a secondary fuel pump. With E85 available in my area, I may start running a 60/40 mix with 93 octane (I’m finding this is becoming very common in other threads, especially with ZO6 owners). With E85 rated at 100-104 octane mixed with 93 – little detonation protection. Still doing research on this idea.

tv

Yes the exhaust, as few restrictions as possible. A must is the hi-flow circular and small stainless steel cats unless that is not required where you are. A dual system of 2.5 inch diameter. X-pipe or Y-pipe before the cats is a maybe and so are headers. Read the flat plane thread for more info there.

My exhaust is true dual on a "euro" with the hi-flow cats and little else and it sounds good and works better. Never hurts to run fuel system cleaner thru the engine either as injector spray pattern has a lot to do with power. Lighten your ride, not much use for AC in the UK most days. 928 spec. will have a SC built for euro's soon.

Fabio421

Hacker, there is an article in last months Excellence warning against using E-85. I don't remember all of the details but you might wanna read it before proceeding.

wetbehindtheears

Thanks TV, I will check the site for availability every now an then.

Is ditching the air con a big deal? Unusually the air con does work, but it is not that effective, so I would not mind getting rid.


82 928S Euro

tv

The A/C system does involve a nice little chunk of weight along with the spare tire (need auto service), plus removing it, removes a belt and your car will run cooler when that a/c radiator plus the aux fan are gone. The condensor, compressor, fan etc. do add up. When you do your exhaust, you will want to hear it with the windows open.

A nice 928 on those curvy english country roads gotta be a hell of a lot of fun.

hacker-pschorr

Why am I doing this?

Nice little montage there.
Ok, so let me get this straight:
8psi
Intercooled on a custom chromed block (per a few people around here reduces friction – allowed you to run a tighter engine – adding power)
Custom JE pistons with lowered compression..
Custom fuel injection system removing the restrictive barn door system..
Custom exhaust (kind of necessary with a turbo setup, unless you have a muffler mounted system)

Compared to stock 928’s with:
Stock exhaust
Stock pistons
Stock blocks
Stock FI
With a ton of miles on pretty much everything (most people are not replacing head gaskets or bearings before installing the blowers). My car just turned 96,000 miles on the stock rings.

Yea – real apples to apples comparison there.

Even if this was true – if you know how to drive, it’s not an issue. Most if not all race cars are tuned for only top end. I’m talking road racing, drag racing doesn’t interest me except for a way to argue dick size over a few beers without getting arrested for indecent exposure.


Oh yea, well my daddy has a 2001 Boxster S.
Jean-Louie didn’t have any issues blowing past GT3’s at Road America with experienced drivers behind the wheel…..in a…..get this……wait for it…….supercharged Euro 928 (100% stock internals with high compression). So does that tell you how fast his car is? (or was, damn concrete). For the record, a GT3 with race tires will walk away from a 996TT any day of the week. He actually was able to hang with them before the blower, just had issues passing them with such gusto.

Funny guy – you really are. Blanket statement like this are always 100% BS. There is a non-boosted 928 (well, kinda) in Wisconsin that would walk away from your car. Not to mention the monsters Todd and Tim own. With Todd shooting for 700hp before he turns up the boost……yet you claim to be faster than any supercharged 32v 928?

You know, I have nothing but respect for John and what he is doing with 928’s. Then here you come along, I’m assuming little brother, pounding your chest about a car you really know very little about (928’s not your TT) and performance mods you know even less about.
If I had a brother like John who was willing to build me a TT 928 – hell yea I would sign up. Hell, if I had a brother willing to build me a supercharged 928, hell yea I would sign up. I don’t, so instead I bugged Tim Murphy to help modify his kit to fit my car. Guess what, my 311rwhp (@6psi with iffy air/fuel – too rich all around) cost less (the kit, not the car) than you paid for your car. With stock everything except exhaust.

So, have fun with your car, have fun racing daddy’s 996TT on public roads. I suggest you go buy some lotion, your chest must be pretty chafed from all that pounding you are doing.

Stop posting this drivel – you are really casting a dark ugly shadow on all of the incredible work your brother has done with these cars.

hacker-pschorr

I'll try to find a copy - Thanks!!

On my list of things to do before trying it:
Flush the gas tak out real good
Replace all of the rubber with NHRA approved lines for Meth (much more corrosive than ethanol).

Not sure if that is all I would need to do, just starting to research it.

SwayBar

How 'bout some link-age?

To make it easy, let's assume you're running 100% E85. The E85 per volume has half the BTU's of gasoline, thus, cuts your horsepower in half, unless you compensate by injecting twice as much into the engine to do the same amount of work as one-half the amount of gasoline.

It is a simple matter to figure out ratios such as 60/40. But once you tune the car to run on 60/40, you must run a 60/40 mixture which means finding a gas station which has E85. If you don't find a station with E85, your engine will be VERY rich with straight gasoline.