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Old Apr 19, 2006 | 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by wds928
Another great thread, just in time. I've got a TB/WP and tensioner kit on the UPS truck as I write this. Will tackle this job when I get back from vacation.

Thanks for the info.
Your first? Alone? Best wishes for an uneventful job, although the first one is often at the least an interesting experience.
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Old Apr 19, 2006 | 12:51 PM
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Bill, it seems all the tb/wp "parties" are on the left coast.

I'll do it solo, if I can't find any interested local 928'ers to help. I did the motor mounts solo the week before Thanksgiving. On my back, no lift.

I'll send out an invite for May 6/7 later today. Already went to Sears yesterday for a 3/4 inch drive 1 1/16th socket and breaker bar.
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Old Apr 19, 2006 | 02:42 PM
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If you can do MMs on your back, you are an animal. You will find the TB is more like working on a Swiss watch - much more delicate work.
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Old Apr 19, 2006 | 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by wds928
Bill, it seems all the tb/wp "parties" are on the left coast.

I'll do it solo, if I can't find any interested local 928'ers to help. I did the motor mounts solo the week before Thanksgiving. On my back, no lift.

I'll send out an invite for May 6/7 later today. Already went to Sears yesterday for a 3/4 inch drive 1 1/16th socket and breaker bar.
I just did mine "solo"...Lots of questions were asked though...and that was "after" practically memorizing the Pirtle technique...It's really pretty easy, but the most important part...is the preparation....make sure, you have "everything" you need prior to the job. Then it will go a lot smoother. AND...be sure you pay close attention to which bolts go to what part. And the proper orientation of "cupped" washers and whatnot..but thats another issue. Good luck, I'm sure we'll be hearing from you....especially if this is the 1st TB-WP job you've undertaken...
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Old Apr 19, 2006 | 06:07 PM
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I always put everything back together exactly the way I found it . That is, unless of course it is obviously messed up. But, if something doesn't look touched since Zuffenhausen I put it back the way it was before I took it apart. I pay special attention to anything that isn't symmetrical. I always figure that there is a reason for a non-symmetrical item to be installed in a particular orientation. Lots and lots of digital pictures help fill in gaps in memory.
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Old Apr 19, 2006 | 08:00 PM
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I took a lot of pictures of the whole procedure, plus ran the video camera. A picture is worth a thousand words, so at 32FPS, 9 hours of video is worth 1,026,800,000 words.

Seriously, the video was darn handy whene there was any question on how something was supposed to go back together. Making the big assumption that the last guy who worked on the car knew what he was doing, running the camera is close to priceless.


Maybe by the end of summer I'll have the video edited down to something manageable. Otherwise, it takes just as long to watch the video as it does to do the job. Might be good, might be bad...
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Old Apr 19, 2006 | 08:36 PM
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dr. bob, that would be priceless. Without someone running the camera, it's too easy to miss things as they come off. My collection of "extra" bolts from timing belt jobs continues to grow. Actually, I'm just being cute here, but I do have one honking bolt from my first TB job that still does not have a home. My 89 does not seem to miss it. On other jobs, there were questions about various pieces parts that a video/photo document would have answered.

Have fun this Saturday!
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Old Apr 19, 2006 | 08:59 PM
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Bill...on your 89...just to the right of the new water pump, theres a cast boss in the block that is threaded. This boss is below the cylinder head...between the electrical harness loom (where the harness splits and the larger section goes down to the alternator, and starter, and the smaller leg goes to the connector behind the left headlight)...and the water pump. My guess is...this is where your "mystery" bolt "should" go....It appears to do NOTHING. (doesn't secure "anything"...and does not appear to plug a access hole to the coolant passage in the block)....I pondered long and hard over this threaded boss before finally "plugging" it with a M8 screw...I just could NOT understand, why there would be a "threaded" hole...if nothing obvious "went" there... This hole (for those of you who may be curious).. is "inside the top right (driverside...if viewed from the front of the car looking at the engine) of the center cambelt cover"...and between the water pump housing, and the aforementioned electrical harness loom bolt...just below the driver side cylinder head...I had just installed the center cambelt cover, when I "saw" this threaded hole in this spot...I thought..."what in the world" goes in THAT hole, and WHY ??? I finally plugged it, with a M8 screw, and thread sealant. (I'm convinced that it has NO PURPOSE though)...probably where your "extra" bolt came from...
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Old Apr 19, 2006 | 09:13 PM
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Jeff:

It's a rather fat bolt, but I'll have a look the next time. I thought it might be one of the alternator cassette bolts, as there appear to be more than necessary, but so far I haven't found a vacant hole. Thanks for the suggestion.
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Old Apr 19, 2006 | 09:21 PM
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Yeah...M8 is a "fat bolt",,,same size as the rear axle "socket head" bolts that secure the axle to the differential case ???? Is it a 17mm... or a 13mm bolt head ???
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Old Apr 19, 2006 | 09:53 PM
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Mine is more like an M10. I'm not even sure where it is any more. This was about 3 years ago when I ended up with it sitting on the ground after my first TB. Looks important but the the car hasn't missed it yet.
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Old Apr 19, 2006 | 11:07 PM
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I'm taking my sweet time on this one. Parts arrrive next Monday, when I'm on vacation. Got the radiator and block drained, radiator hoses removed, plug wire set moved up and out of the way. Removed the fan shroud assembly (apparently easier on the GTS than S4)

A local 928 mechanic came by before I started just to verify the "noise" issue that started this. It's the water pump.

I'm making a list of more stuff to buy, hoses, T-stat, stuff like that.

I think I'll do the intake too, as I have about 2/4" of oil in the valley beneath the oil filler.

Ok, my first big question. All instructions (Pirtle, WSM) say to rotate the engine counterclockwise only. What is the reference point for clockwise, from the drivers seat or the front of the car, facing reaward?

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Old Apr 19, 2006 | 11:26 PM
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You in front of the car facing rearward and turning the crank as if the crank pulley were a clockface.
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Old Apr 20, 2006 | 12:41 AM
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I always put my belts on so I can read them from the front of the car. This is not done because I know better, it's because I'm **** about that kind of stuff!
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Old Apr 20, 2006 | 12:46 AM
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There you go! Proof that being **** has its benefits!
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