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Old 03-27-2006 | 03:39 PM
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Greetings,

I read with enthusiasm in some other threads of the possibility to use a VW Window Relay in a 928 to get the One Touch Down feature. I called the local dealer today and didn't get very far... Has anyone ACTUALLY done this, and if so, can you please provide a part number?


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P.S. looking forward to Bonneville in July!!!
Old 03-27-2006 | 03:46 PM
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It's got to be more than just a relay. I would think first of all the switch is different. A light press for normal operation or a heavier press to enguage the express portion (as does my other car). Also, is there logic to determine if the window has reached the top or bottom of it's travel, or is a simple timer? I would hope there are limit switches in there somewhere.
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See http://www.paragon-products.com/prod...dowexpress.htm

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Paragon sells a kit to do this for $50

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Old 03-27-2006 | 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan

Link no work
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Beat me too it! Here's a another link:
Window Express

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Originally Posted by Pedro Whalero
P.S. looking forward to Bonneville in July!!!
Are you talking open road racing? If so, see you there! First time? If any questions, send me a note. We should have at least 4 928s including George Suennen's Murph'd 91 S4.
Old 03-27-2006 | 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by JimBob951
Beat me too it! Here's a another link:
Window Express

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Would you not think that this system would be a pain in the rear.. It's great if you just put it up or down, but what if you just want to crack the window a bit.. I can imagine a ballet on the switch trying to get it to stop where I want it... dunno.....
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Nick - but thats almost exactly how the 90+ S4/GTS's are.. you can cancel the express by clicking either up or down - but thats about the only difference...

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Nick - to your other question - these are not timer operated - they usually monitor the motor current and stop when the current spikes as the motor stalls, this is how the Porsche one works anyway This also provides protection against shutting things in the window or for mechanism failures. (there is also a timeout)

However I wouldn't suggest testing it on your fingers - it takes a good bit of force to trigger it!

For the later Porsche version express is selected every time you press the button for >0.5 sec - click it again to stop (or click the other end of the button).

It does the windows & sunroof sequentially - it only has one current sensing mechanism so it switches it between them - it does have a memory though - so you can hit all the open buttons for 0.5 sec each and it will open them in the sequence you selected...


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Where does this Paragon device install? Is it at the window switch, in the door or at the fuse panel?
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Dave in the door - intercepts the existing 2 motor connections and ground.

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Originally Posted by Bill Ball
Are you talking open road racing? If so, see you there! First time? If any questions, send me a note. We should have at least 4 928s including George Suennen's Murph'd 91 S4.
Yes, the Bonneville 100. I did Gamblers Run in 2001, Bonneville in 2002 and now this will be my first time back. The whole road trip through Wyoming and Colorado is such a blast to begin with, and then there's the race waiting when we get there. Saweeet!


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mine are one-touch from spilling lemonade in them.

each switch in the vw windows have a logic "signature" witch goes to the convenience control module and it communicates with the individual window modules in the window motors to tell which window what to do. you'd never get it to work...
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Originally Posted by David R. Hendrickson
mine are one-touch from spilling lemonade in them.

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Too funny!


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