View Poll Results: In stock form, would a 1989 E30 M3 be a better track car than a 928 S4?
E30 M3
9
40.91%
928 S4
13
59.09%
Voters: 22. You may not vote on this poll
Need opinion on track car: E30 M3 vs 928 S4 (long)
02-17-2006, 07:39 PM
#61
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 1,577
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Thanks for the clarification - and thanks to everyone for some good information! I thought this was going to be a very biased bash-on-bmw discussion, but I feel the information here is very factual. I will be putting the $6K I saved up towards my first 928 track/street car. (preferably '87+, silver, no side-mouldings, and 5spd 
)
)
02-17-2006, 08:13 PM
#62
Three Wheelin'
Originally Posted by mspiegle
At the same time this thread has been progressing, i've had a heated discussion with my M3 friend about the 928 vs E36M3. We can't come to a conclusion due to the data and variables, but I have concluded that a 928 should be a better car for me than an E30 M3.
I think the main thing about Dean's car is that its already modified. I'm one of those guys who takes a gret deal of pride in his own work and accomplishments (as i'm sure Dean is too), but when I pass up some E36 M3s on the track (shh, don't tell anyone I said that), I want to be able to say "Yes, I am the driver AND the mechanic".
You better be careful there Louie... I was VERY close to buying a brand new STI mainly because financing would be 10x easier than an older 928. In the end, I concluded that it wasn't what I REALLY wanted, and a 928 is a much cooler/rarer/faster/better/etc car.
I think the main thing about Dean's car is that its already modified. I'm one of those guys who takes a gret deal of pride in his own work and accomplishments (as i'm sure Dean is too), but when I pass up some E36 M3s on the track (shh, don't tell anyone I said that), I want to be able to say "Yes, I am the driver AND the mechanic".
You better be careful there Louie... I was VERY close to buying a brand new STI mainly because financing would be 10x easier than an older 928. In the end, I concluded that it wasn't what I REALLY wanted, and a 928 is a much cooler/rarer/faster/better/etc car.
At the Spokane track last year it was a humbling experience to to trying as hard as I could in my mostly stock S4 to have to point by a Subie with 4 people aboard. I can't remember the model, but it looked like a phone booth on wheels.
02-17-2006, 08:16 PM
#63
Drifting
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 3,348
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by mspiegle
Thanks for the clarification - and thanks to everyone for some good information! I thought this was going to be a very biased bash-on-bmw discussion, but I feel the information here is very factual. I will be putting the $6K I saved up towards my first 928 track/street car. (preferably '87+, silver, no side-mouldings, and 5spd )
)It will be a little fun, and a bit of a challenge, to get your 928 out there, and start showing your BMW friend what it can do...
But it really will be a hell of a lot cheaper to make it trackable...
02-17-2006, 08:24 PM
#64
Addict
Rennlist Member
Rennlist Member
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Wilbraham, MA
Posts: 2,758
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Scott Chan's time is listed at 1:439. You probably checked the practice time, not the qualifying time.
HP allows a small amount if lightening. Per the rules 3048# is allowed, stock is 3175#
HP allows a small amount if lightening. Per the rules 3048# is allowed, stock is 3175#
02-17-2006, 09:00 PM
#65
Rennlist Member
yes, your right. didnt scroll down. actually, he ran a 1:43.4 or something!
HP i know pretty well. my good buddy Freddy ran this class. the cars that do well are the M3 lightweights. (kind of pricey to begin with.) their weights may be with driver, its been a long time since ive looked at the rules.
this is a time that is pretty fast, however, that day was supposed to be just perfect condition wise. (several of my friends were racing that day)
HP is totaly gutted cars. like i said, you need to keep the front and rear windows glass. slight mods to the fenders, and the engine can have more mods than i have on my car. headers, cams, chips, camber plates and suspension mods, all ok. HP to the wheels is easily 230rwhp. you can see that a stock 928 with out the mods can be right there with a lot less fuss. Like i said, ive raced these guys in the NASA chariot races, bmw/porsche challenge, and recently in the ITE SCCA events.
If you did what is allowed for HP with a BMW, on a 928, you would have my car and a car 3 seconds faster!
MK
HP i know pretty well. my good buddy Freddy ran this class. the cars that do well are the M3 lightweights. (kind of pricey to begin with.) their weights may be with driver, its been a long time since ive looked at the rules.
this is a time that is pretty fast, however, that day was supposed to be just perfect condition wise. (several of my friends were racing that day)
HP is totaly gutted cars. like i said, you need to keep the front and rear windows glass. slight mods to the fenders, and the engine can have more mods than i have on my car. headers, cams, chips, camber plates and suspension mods, all ok. HP to the wheels is easily 230rwhp. you can see that a stock 928 with out the mods can be right there with a lot less fuss. Like i said, ive raced these guys in the NASA chariot races, bmw/porsche challenge, and recently in the ITE SCCA events.
If you did what is allowed for HP with a BMW, on a 928, you would have my car and a car 3 seconds faster!
MK
Originally Posted by Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net
Scott Chan's time is listed at 1:439. You probably checked the practice time, not the qualifying time.
HP allows a small amount if lightening. Per the rules 3048# is allowed, stock is 3175#
HP allows a small amount if lightening. Per the rules 3048# is allowed, stock is 3175#
02-17-2006, 09:25 PM
#66
Rennlist Member
stan,
I think you missed the weight for HP (H prepared) for a BMW M3
You quote 3048lbs , thats for a standard M3, not a lightweight. that would be for the I class. " H " is for the M3 lightweight and has a weight of 2832 lbs Per the rules!!! thats with driver my friend!!!!, thats 2632 without driver and and 2550 without gas (i think gas too, as it comes off the track)
so, if you read the rules, it is almost identical what ive done to my 928. except, i have stock cams and the M3 can go custom. any wheel that fits without rubbing too, as long as its DOT.
928 has the HP version of the BMW M3 by over 3 seconds!
MK
I think you missed the weight for HP (H prepared) for a BMW M3
You quote 3048lbs , thats for a standard M3, not a lightweight. that would be for the I class. " H " is for the M3 lightweight and has a weight of 2832 lbs Per the rules!!! thats with driver my friend!!!!, thats 2632 without driver and and 2550 without gas (i think gas too, as it comes off the track)
so, if you read the rules, it is almost identical what ive done to my 928. except, i have stock cams and the M3 can go custom. any wheel that fits without rubbing too, as long as its DOT.
928 has the HP version of the BMW M3 by over 3 seconds!
MK
Originally Posted by Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net
Scott Chan's time is listed at 1:439. You probably checked the practice time, not the qualifying time.
HP allows a small amount if lightening. Per the rules 3048# is allowed, stock is 3175#
HP allows a small amount if lightening. Per the rules 3048# is allowed, stock is 3175#
