928 a track car? Comments PLS
12-13-2005, 08:08 PM
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stockish, means , bolt on stuff, no suspension attachement points changed,
go ahead with the 3.09, what does this mean any way???? we alll have the same gear spacing, so 3.09 doesnt do much. I care about what the darn things put to the wheels. if its got more than 330hp at the wheels, i get nervous, but the 928 can hang, as it handles better than the stock 944 (meaning without radcal fender flares, stock body, etc)
stockish in my book is just bolt on stuff. sure crank up the boost on the 944 to make 360hp rear wheel. think it willl last the season??
MK
go ahead with the 3.09, what does this mean any way???? we alll have the same gear spacing, so 3.09 doesnt do much. I care about what the darn things put to the wheels. if its got more than 330hp at the wheels, i get nervous, but the 928 can hang, as it handles better than the stock 944 (meaning without radcal fender flares, stock body, etc)
stockish in my book is just bolt on stuff. sure crank up the boost on the 944 to make 360hp rear wheel. think it willl last the season??
MK
Originally Posted by John Veninger
Here we go trying to define "stockish" and what a 928 could be modified to and what a 944 can be modified to.
A well modified 944 eats a stockish 928. You need an "Anderson" type of car when dealing with a highly modified 944T.
The 944 guys also use 3:09 gears.
Yes, I race a 928 an love it.
A well modified 944 eats a stockish 928. You need an "Anderson" type of car when dealing with a highly modified 944T.
The 944 guys also use 3:09 gears.
Yes, I race a 928 an love it.
12-13-2005, 08:14 PM
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Let's not have this debate Guys, it is one that drives friends apart forever. And that's not the question (John, you take that troll hat off 
... you know a stockish anything will be consumed by amodded anything 
....) .... So the original question is about 928 NOT comparisons PLEASE.
... you know a stockish anything will be consumed by amodded anything ....) .... So the original question is about 928 NOT comparisons PLEASE.
12-13-2005, 08:28 PM
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Duuuude this thread will be 100 pages long and a mirror reflection of the other umpteen threads 
.... Let's not go there 
... Mark has been remarkably helpful on this thread.
.... Let's not go there ... Mark has been remarkably helpful on this thread.
12-13-2005, 10:12 PM
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is the 928 a good track beast?
Would it make more sense to start with something else?
Should a 928 be a street car or a GT or a racecar rather, or all of the above?
12-13-2005, 10:29 PM
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I raced my '80 Euro S in PCA G class for 1 year. I had to run with US weight 3349# and was bumped up 1 class (from H) because it was a Euro. I found that the car was simply too heavy to be competitive in class due to brake fade issues, not to mention that phenomenal workout I got wrestling the car through corners.
I migrated to GT2 to allow the reduction of weight, which eliminated the brake fade problem, but as GT2 is anything large NA motored, my car is underpowered now. I anticipate being competitive when the stroker/bored motor is done.
For a track car, the 928 is great. Do what MK has done. Eliminate weight, upgrade brakes if it is an older car, and for relatively inexpensive fun put an supercharger on it. You will find yourself on the never ending road of improvements, sway bars, seats, roll bar/cage, tires, accusump, etc., but that is true with any track car....
I migrated to GT2 to allow the reduction of weight, which eliminated the brake fade problem, but as GT2 is anything large NA motored, my car is underpowered now. I anticipate being competitive when the stroker/bored motor is done.
For a track car, the 928 is great. Do what MK has done. Eliminate weight, upgrade brakes if it is an older car, and for relatively inexpensive fun put an supercharger on it. You will find yourself on the never ending road of improvements, sway bars, seats, roll bar/cage, tires, accusump, etc., but that is true with any track car....
12-14-2005, 12:01 AM
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The '80 Euro S has 300hp whereas the US only has 220hp, so the class upgrade was reasonable. Perhaps if you upgraded the brakes too, which would upgrade you another class, you might get closer to being competitive. I think the sheer weight of 928 is the big disadvantage, but get one down to 2700#s or less, and they are quite different. Although, except for MK perhaps, they are no longer a car you would drive on the street.
12-14-2005, 12:08 AM
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Stan, that is a bit unfair IMHO ... we know not all Euros hit 310, so I guess if you're gonna go Euro you'd better make dang doubly sure she's a good one ... whereas a US car rated at 288 ... well that puppy could be cranking out 340, if she's a good one.
12-14-2005, 12:09 AM
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Mark,
I realize you are fast and your car is fast, but how do you assume you could win the ITE championship at Road Atlanta? IIRC, SPO cars are running like 1:30's at Road Atlanta. I find it hard to believe that you could turn that time at RA. No offense, just curious.
I realize you are fast and your car is fast, but how do you assume you could win the ITE championship at Road Atlanta? IIRC, SPO cars are running like 1:30's at Road Atlanta. I find it hard to believe that you could turn that time at RA. No offense, just curious.
12-14-2005, 12:19 AM
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ITE championship. (kind of a lonely championship, but still a championship) is NOT SPO . SPO and ITE, ITX, etc are separate classes. the ITE record is something like 1:36 at road atlanta.
No offence taken, but the fact that my 928 runs as fast as some of the fastest Speed touring cars (usually $100k per copy) and as fast as GRand am cup GS class. ($120k per copy) Grand AM is a better comparison, as the cars are the same weight as mine and have the same power on similar tires.
Ill have to look at the times at Road atlanta, but i think speed touring runs 1:35-6s. However i think speed GT ran 1:27s! (and so did the SPO cars)
ITE winner was 1:36, and thats doable considering the speed touring cars qualified at 1:34.
http://www.atl-scca.org/
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No offence taken, but the fact that my 928 runs as fast as some of the fastest Speed touring cars (usually $100k per copy) and as fast as GRand am cup GS class. ($120k per copy) Grand AM is a better comparison, as the cars are the same weight as mine and have the same power on similar tires.
Ill have to look at the times at Road atlanta, but i think speed touring runs 1:35-6s. However i think speed GT ran 1:27s! (and so did the SPO cars)
ITE winner was 1:36, and thats doable considering the speed touring cars qualified at 1:34.
http://www.atl-scca.org/
MK
Originally Posted by Red
Mark,
I realize you are fast and your car is fast, but how do you assume you could win the ITE championship at Road Atlanta? IIRC, SPO cars are running like 1:30's at Road Atlanta. I find it hard to believe that you could turn that time at RA. No offense, just curious.
I realize you are fast and your car is fast, but how do you assume you could win the ITE championship at Road Atlanta? IIRC, SPO cars are running like 1:30's at Road Atlanta. I find it hard to believe that you could turn that time at RA. No offense, just curious.
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