Jim bailey - 928 International

This is just plain paranoia ..."Heard somewhere that any tech that improves fuel efficiency is purchased by the big companies, then shelved indefinitely to support the purchase of fuel. So naughty of them " God how we seem to love conspiracy theories ! Like I said Toyota would pay big money for even a slight advantage in fuel consumption emissions. It is only the gullible public who buys all this stuff.

AO

This reeks of conspiracy theory.

Big companies generally do not shelve technology. Ever heard of a product life cycle? If there is a patent on this, the stopwatch is ticking before the patent expires. At that point its all about getting it to the market at a pricepoint that maximizes return. Then as the technology becomes accepted in the marketplace and competitors enter into the scene, then they lower the price until they are $1 a piece like traditional spark plugs. It's called the product lifecycle. Look it up.

And just because there's a video showing the "Flash" - how do we know that the traditional side isn't just a crappy, fowled plug? Or what if the FS side bore has been polished to accentuate the flash? And so what if it has a flash. Does that automatically make it superior? Maybe a smaller flash would be better? Who knows, who cares. There is no proof here, just claims. Claims that sound good because the basis is proven science. The leap of faith come in the claim that the FireStorm plug delivers these desireable qualities.

This product sounds like a late night infomercial setup to make everyone go Ohhh and Ahhhh and clap and bark like a pack of trained seals.

[Mmmmm sardines!]

AO

Jim beat me to the point! Damn it Jim! Which reminds me of another point...

As Scotty [R.I.P.] once said, "I cannot change the laws of pyhsics, Captain!"

m21sniper

"Water injection: prevents detonation, cooler running engine, allows for increased timing with leaner fueling Supposedly like 120 ron octane fuel if used correctly. Requires lean out of existing fuelling via correction to O2 sensor signal and MAF/MAP sensor signal."

Water injection works well, especially on blown motors.

The US used water injection on most of it's fighter planes in WWII, and the germans used a combonation of methanal-water, straight methanol, or nitrous oxide on thiers.

UKKid35

I'm sure there must be a dozen or more Chinese companies capable of manufacturing Firestorm plugs in very large quantities at very competitve prices. So why haven't they been granted a licence to do so? Either the patent owner is being unreasonable, or the product's benefits are illusory - or is there another explanation I've not considered?

AO

Technology leakage... been a problem for many companies in China.

heinrich

DUUUUDE!!! That is some pretty funny stuff

sjsj

Good to see about three people above are not keen to explore new, or enabling technology.

Wit your responses above, are you wishing others to NOT explore such options, based on not a fact of evidence other than heresay? I think it would be fair to allow others to make an informed opinion, would you not say?!

If anyone is in the US and can get a hold of these Firestorm plugs, I would very interested to know how they work with a 928.

Water injection is easy to prove. Just drive your car in a cold foggy day and you can feel the engine loves it. No blown motor necessary.

The firestorm plugs. Well, I haven't tested them, but if the claims are substantiated then by all means we have a much more efficient burn of the fuelling.

The basic premise of how a car works has not changed much over 100 years, even though computer technology has advanced leaps and bounds. Every year we get some minor enhancements (eg: ABS, fuel injection, direct injection, etc), and a new BOX to store the same old crappy low efficiency combustion mechanism in.

It just so happens the 928 is a brilliantly shaped box, and a brilliant engine for the time. Just needs a more efficient burn to truly make it a rocketship to fly off in

heinrich

The 928 has an excellently-efficient burn. Sorry man, no offense but you sound like you're selling something

sjsj

I want people to have restricted options and only believe what I am telling them and not seek other options. As is obvious by this thread. Can't you tell?

So consider me to be a disinformation selling service. Did you wish to buy some? Going mighty cheap today for you only. Only $US25 per post, funded by the CIA, which is in turn funded by your hip pocket

sjsj

Back to the topic, my request originally was for experiences/opinions. So far lots of opinions, not much experiences, other than "conspiracy, your selling something, it's a load of crap, the world is flat..".

Any first-hand experiences? I know so far we have:

* megasquirt: BrendanC
* water injection: " There is a guy here using water+ injecttion. He's in Nevada and runs boost. Maybe he can elaborate."

* cryogenics: <none>
* firestorm: <none>

[ experiences with other enabling technology]
* piston return springs + other kaleco stuff: Andrew Olson, Fabio421, heinrich
* turbonator: ErnestSw
* seals and sardines: Andrew Olson
* blown motors: m21sniper
* Non-Traditional Religions and Occult and Folklore: Hacker-Pschorr

Fabio421

I do like your wit. It's nice to see and a welcome breath of fresh air. But I think you would agree that the "firestorm" claims are a little shaky at best. Don't take offense. Everyone is just ribbing you.
As for the water injection. Do a search on the forum and you can find out more about its use on a 928. I just didn't want to name names without consent. You never know what will tick someone off.
And how did I get lumped into the "piston return spring's" group?

mspiegle

That's an amazing design. I was talking with a friend a few months ago about the Ducati valvetrain design (he's a hardcore ducati mechanic) and brought that up. He almost fell over when he saw the website!

mspiegle

Water injection didn't appear to help much on Mr. Nevada's car (Tony). He noticed a big temperature drop, but it didn't seem to add any "power" or reduce any detonation (he never had any from what I gather). Maybe if he was on the edge of stable combustion - he would have noticed something. Water injection itself doesn't create power, just allows you to run more power-creating boost.

Lance J

i rode in the car with a supercharger twin screw setup. if i remember correctly (the water injection system) it drop the temp alot. safe enought to run a few more psi of boost. thats for sure. i think he only uses it if he does alot of drags at the track or stop and go traffic to highway pulls