Imo000

But it was a great idea. It saved Chrysler from bankruptcy!

BC

So they could later be taken over by Mercedes in a trjan Horse move.

Jim bailey - 928 International

I can only speculate how much they would pay to unwind that "deal" ! talk about indigestion. The only people who benefited were senior Chrysler execs with golden parachutes !

BC

God, why can't I spell today.

Jim bailey - 928 International

Brendan If I answered that people might get the wrong impression....

Th Dude

m21sniper

Actually it's a Regal with lots of boost.

As far as stock 1/4 mile times, the intercooled 86-87 GNs ran a 14.5 bone stock, 13.9 with chip, and the GNX(only 498 sold) ran a 13.5, 13.0 with chip.

With just the most basic of bolt on mods any GN or T-type will run mid 12s all day long. Mine did.

The 89 Turbo Trans Ams with the intercooled turbo motors ran a 13.5, 13.0 with chip.

BC

m21sniper

BTW, i just noticed the shot taken at the engine note of the GNs.

Pffft, i looove that whistling sound. Music to the ears as the g's go to the ***.

mp928

I miss the 87 Grand National as much as I miss my 1st 928. There can be a little drone to it when not on the boost. The stage 4 GN I had was a beast the only car that really scared me and not because it didn't like to turn or stop . The speed of that car was just plain amazing and the sound of the turbo on 28 lbs of boost was very good at hidding that drone and make the speedo blink 85.

Mike Parris

DFWX

Just wrote what I saw at the track.
Mark
DFWX

Kaz

I call B.S. I've seen modified Grand Nationals run at the track and they do not sound anemic. They sound like a U.A.W whistle going by. They also were not losing. An 8 second car is a front wheel lifting launch monster. My friends in NJ with big block normally aspirated Firebirds and Buicks run from the mid 10's to low 11's on pump gas, slicks and if I recall correctly two speed transmissions. So if they lined up against an 8 second anything, they would lose.

sublimate

DFWX was talking about an 1/8th mile track, not a quarter-mile. 8 seconds in the 1/8th is probably like 13 seconds in the 1/4.

jebdog

Yawn,I could care less what some Olds /Buick/Chevelle/Pontiac can be made to do in the 1/8 mile the only amazing thing is that GM could convince anyone that these things are special. GTO, Grand National ,Transam,SS, 442 ,Boss,Cuda really are pretty horrible cars if you actually drive one today and compare it to modern cars or a 20 year old 928. Sure they have the image, the look the romanticzed good old days but reality is they drive like an old truck, corner like a hay wagon and stop about as well as Fred Flintstones ride. Detroit stuffed big engines into cheap midsized chassis and touted the 1/4 mile times which were not all that great but advertising created the muscle car. Now collectors or speculators are bidding up the prices to unheard of levels which does not mean they are good cars only that people are willing to pay big bucks.

John Struthers

I was looking for some 3 & 4 pin connectors at the local Heavy Vehicle Parts
house on monday and wouldn't you know it?
The parts guy asked about Pattycakes then showed me some downloaded flicks of
his new Ebay car ... a black on black Buick of all things... whoda thunk?
For only 4K no less.
Like the 928 they do have a following, they still look good, and they kick a##.
The GNX -87' I think- was rated at 276hp @ 4400, 350+ lb ft @ 3000rpm.
They redlined around 5500/5600 without chip.
0 -60 in 4.5 to 4.7 seconds weather permitting, tires and the simple variance of build a factor.
1/4 mile stock, great strip conditions 13.4 on up @ 102/104 mph.
They aren't featherweights at 3545. And as stated elsewhere moving that weight while spooling up takes a few ticks of the second hand. As for handling ... they were daily drivers that wouldn't rattle grandma's teeth out. Nobody I know would rag on a GN(X) for cause. A respectable ride for it's time
and still has teeth today. I'd paint one beige and make some cash if I owned one.
As for swapping engines ... you could still go Porsche. Didn't they make a 4 cylinder, Turbo'd, 3L?
Jim,
I thought GM (mis)management and that 20% of Fiat purchase for 1.6 billion+, with a total buyout
after two years clause took the prize. Bought when GM was selling at the mid-$50.00 range.
After untold losses GM decided to pack it in. But by then the two year buyout clause was invoked.
GM was burned for an additional 2 billion to get off the hook. Of course GM stock was down to the $30/$31 range. Oh well, says management, as they proceded to close two more plants.
Someone other than Fiat made money and should be shot for their efforts.
Jebdog,
Until you have sat in a 1964 SS 409ci sporting factory quads lugging along at 50mph when the
owner decides to show off with a quick downshift to 3rd while pushing the go pedal thru the floorboards I guess you would be yawning. And the Lord said, "Let there be Torque".
They weren't all pigs and most of today's resto's from that era will impress ANYBODY. While they did not handle as well as a MG or Triumph it didn't really matter because they were already at turn three when true sports cars were downshifting at turn one