m21sniper

Figures.

Is the post date from today or last night?

If it is, it's a damned safe bet it's me. And based on the 64mb file size, it's a safe bet they got almost all of the festivities on film.

Oh man, i gotta get that file now!

Thanx for the heads up...if you get it to DL please email it to me: m21sniper2000@yahoo.com(i'm gonna be offline for a few weeks starting tommorow evening, im moving, and i probably won't have internet access for a couple weeks).

PS: I just looked around on google and all i found was that torrent site.

Lance J

ummm. m21 there is a way. its called renagade hybrids. they make adpter plates for gm v6 also. there kit applies to the buick turbo also. not just sbc

m21sniper

Hmmm, dont think it was me...the Torrent site lists the vid as having been hosted on 7/3.

Oh well.

BUT...if the car is zinmettalic silver with phone dials, PA plates and "928 V-8" on the rear bumper cover and the 240SX is red with nice big 18" rims it's me and they just put the wrong date up, lol.

m21sniper

"ummm. m21 there is a way. its called renagade hybrids. they make adpter plates for gm v6 also. there kit applies to the buick turbo also. not just sbc"

Heh, there ya go then.

Thanx lance!

Lance J

how much you want for that engine bro?

Lance J

pm bro

DFWX

If you read enough hot rod magazines, you will find that a Buick 6 cylinder can make 700 horsepower... 850 horsepower - no, that's 2,000 horsepower... Just by changing the air filter and plug wires too.
A cast iron Buick 6 cylinder in a Porsche?
Mark

m21sniper

Hey DFXW, wanna watch an educational movie?

Here's a nice video of a street driven GN on the dyno turning over 1000hp.

http://fasttrackperformance.com/page.../ChrisTTGN.wmv
(Courtesy fellow lister JimBob)

Don't knock what you don't know.

Oh look, ever seen ANY 928 turn this ET???



That ET isn't even that impressive for a GN to be honest...yet it's still a full second faster than any supercharged 928S ET i've ever seen claimed on this forum.

Now this is a fast door slammer GN:


8.38sec@168.53mph

Here's an even faster GN door slammer:

8.22@163.76mph

And faster still:

8.09@171mph

Still not done:

7.63@178mph

This fellow realized that the GN body was an impediment to the power of the 3.8SFI turbo V-6, so he traded the body for a slick aero body:

6.89@204.52mph

So yeah, a 3.8SFI Turbo V-6 is fully capable of 2000 PLUS hp in full race trim. Care to point me to ANY Porsche engine of any size or displacement that makes 2000hp???

Well???

Next time you decide to talk smack about American iron, at least know you're talking about.
http://www.bgnra.org/fast_cars.htm
(Buick Grand National Racing Organization)

My 83 T-type non-intercooled Buick Turbo V-6 ran a best ever 12.4 @118mph 1/4 mile run in a 3500lb car....and the thing was very mildly upgraded(Stage 1 T-04B turbo@14psi, 2.5" downpipe, 2.5" cross over, 30lb injectors, custom burnt EPROM, RRFPR, and 2.5" cross over dual exhaust- that's it, total upgrade investment about $1500 bucks).

GNs and 3.8SFI V-6 Turbo engines are legends for a reason, and to be frank, 10 second Grand Nationals grow on trees(considering their rarity) at any dragstrip in the US. Hell, it's hard to even find a GN that DOESN'T run in the 12s.

We all know of your well voiced disdain for 'inferior' GM products.

I feel that you're just irrationally biased.

I know 1st hand just how fast GNs are, and just how much power can be made with mildly worked V-6SFI Turbos. I had one(actually two if you count the 3.8 Turbo six in my old 79 LeMans).

My T-Type would've ate my 928S alive. Standing start, rolling start, top end, anything but the twisties. Which is fine, because the car was never intended to take curves. It was the last of the muscle cars....and it delivered big.(even still the "G" body Regal/Cutlass/Monte Carlo bodied cars were totally dominant in nascar vs the at the time very aerodynamic T-birds)

Consider that in 1987 when the 928S4 was running a high 14 sec 1/4 mile in a lighter car with a big V-8 engine a BONE STOCK GN was running a 13.9, and a GNX was running a 13.2.

Consider also that a good 86-87 intercooled GN in any kind of decent shape is worth more than a like year S4(despite costing about 1/4 the price new), and that an 87 GNX is worth more than even a mint condition 95' GTS.

Any engine that will add a reliable 200hp while saving 200lbs vs a Porsche V-8 is what i call an UPGRADE, i don't care whose name is on the valve covers.

If you see one of these coming up fast on the highway...just yield. You'll only embarrass yourself and your 'superior' german machine if you try to keep up.(bone stock with just a custom chip an intercooled GN is fully capable of a 160+MPH top end- with a BIG emphasis on "+").

The ONLY reason that Porsche could claim the 928S4 was the fastest production car sold in N.America is because the GN came with a factory electronically limited top speed of 130mph. Change ONLY the EPROM, and that claim would've been rightfully claimed by the mighty Buick Grand National.

SMTCapeCod

Definately big-honking single turbo on the Nissan, too bad. Or mabye a huge boost leak that it took the turbo a while to overcome. Sounds like his intercooler is doing pretty well if it wasn't heat soaked after the first two runs. Too bad about his brakes, although that would probably be my last priority to. Thats the drawback to just saucing up a non-performance car- every system needs attention to get to a decent baseline.

Sounds like your hankering for a run from a dig vs my Mitsu VR4....
Your right about launching being the key to dragging- and its (nearly) impossible to overcome a reasonably powerful AWD car.

You've got me thinking about my Euro more though...I gotta find out whats up with it, I'm betting it would only be cutting a 15 second quarter which is pretty pathetic. Thing was once a monster ....well, its fall maybe that will be a project for next season...

m21sniper

I had a ride in it last week, and it does run very well, there's just no way it's gonna hook with 35profile tires from 4000rpm, not even with two brazilians adding an extra 300+ lbs of weight to preload the rear suspension, lol.

Since it does have such a large turbo for it's displacement it doesn't really build any kind of boost at all until 3000rpm so he has to go with a launch that is pretty much gonna result in a lot of wheelspin even without boost, so he's kinda screwed. Especially since when you're just spinning the wheels you're not really generating any load, so you don't exactly help your cause in getting that big turbine spinning. He should put a taller ring and pinion in the car, would really help him out.

I just don't like the turbo/5speed pairing. I think SCs are much better for manuals. Turbos and automatics with high stall speeds go together perfectly.

From a rolling start of say 25mph or thereabouts it's a wickedly quick little car though, and he pulled my 928 pretty hard.

I have run i guess three 3000GT VR4s/Stealth TTs since i got my shark, all within about the last year or so.

They launch great, but stock they're only around a 14.1, and i've obviously yet to run into one that's been messed with because i beat all of them by about 1 1/2 lengths. Not a lot of them around anyomore. They have always been known for bad oil pumps, and a lot of them expired prematurely.

Stock WRXs i can beat up on pretty good, and the same for AWD Talons and Eclipses.

Mitsu Evo Lancers are another story entirely. I've yet to stay within about 3-4 lengths of one of those. One night when i was messing around with a Beemer 850i me and Mr. beemer had an Evo intervene and commence to thrash the both of us.

It's really a shame they're so damned ugly.

SMTCapeCod

Yeah, I agree with you- I don't really see the point of an ugly 4 dr sedan thats really quick...especially given what they cost and all the crap that the factory tends to tack on like those awful picnic-table wings.

I don't mind the looks of the Talon and Eclipses- and I kind-of like the VR4, but none of them compare aesthetically to the 928, IMO.

I think the 14.1 must be a poor magazine test- or perhaps from the 1st generation cars that lacked a few hp and had 5 spds vs the second gen 6 spds. Most owners are finding that the quarter mile time is largely defined by the tolerance for burning the clutch or grenading the transfer case if they don't have upgraded motor mounts (which tend to fail like 928s). High 13s is pretty common for stock cars. Upgrade the exhaust downpipe provides decent gains as does removal of two of the three cats.

There's still a strong community around the 3000GT/Stealth platform...its interesting to participate in because the ages of the owners are all over the place. Seems that a lot of folks with a good deal of dsiposable income are picking them up and going full-bore on the mods, making them dedicated track cars. Various results are here: http://www.3squicklist.com/ Which is kind-of counterintuitive because, like the 928, they are heavy cruisers more than anything else. Http://www.dynamicracing.com is one of the primary tuners that are supporting a good deal of the craziness. DNPerformance too. Like 928s they get rattly windows...they have a couple of switches prone to failure...both cars are really testament to what happens with the manufacturer tries to go to the edge of existing technology and complexity, and build a car with limited production numbers.

SharkSkin

I am not one to hate on GM engines. Here is a counter-challenge for you though: Take a GN as-delivered from the factory. Make your few changes to get it to run 11's or 12's. Now take it out and launch it HARD. Now, take stock of how many bits of plastic and trim have fallen off the dash into your lap, how many exterior pieces have loosened and/or fallen off. That's my main gripe about GM... the rest of the car doesn't hold together!

yellowline

I'd rather reinstall plastic pieces than do a 944 clutch job after I abused it. I bet you would too.

Plus, I rarely, if ever, see a car of any make with missing sheet metal. Rust is another story though. It's a bit of an outlandish claim to make, though I agree with you: the average GM doesn't last as long as the average late-model German car. They have been making improvements, though.

mspiegle

M21- Chris' TT buick is INSANE. I saw his dyno video (smoking tires) and his quartermile pass (the one from inside the car) and to this day, I still think that's one of the best drag racing videos i've ever seen. How many Gs do you have to pull off the line to screw up your video camera like that? Simply amazing...

SharkSkin

Outlandish? No more outlandish than being called "irrationally biased". Besides, I wasn't talking about sheet metal. I see how you may have interpreted my remarks otherwise. I was talking about trim, dash pieces, etc. In my experience, nothing sheds bits of interior and exterior trim faster than a GM product. I've worked on GM trucks in the past too, and while I freely admid that they are made better than GM cars, stupidity still abounds. Examples -- pulling the rear crossmember to change tranny fluid. Welding the door hinges so they cannot be adjusted for wear -- on a work truck fer chrissake! I knew a guy with a '93 3/4 ton fleetside who twisted the frame simply by loading a cord of firewood(a handful at a time) while the truck was parked on uneven ground in a clearing in the woods. From that day forward, the bed and cab didn't line up when the truck was on level ground. Shall I go on?

Yes, they are improving, but considering how low they sank in the 70's & 80's, I'm still not impressed.