Very detailed information (and pictures) of the LS7.
08-29-2005, 07:44 PM
#16
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Welcome Back, Mark.
100 yards was usually more than enough in my experience. Farther than that and I was doing my job, calling artillery.
100 yards was usually more than enough in my experience. Farther than that and I was doing my job, calling artillery.
08-29-2005, 07:59 PM
#17
The early 16s were crap, no arguing that.
The A2/4 is good to 600meters with iron sights, and to 800 with optics. Also very reliable provided you keep it reasonably clean. My kinda rifle, even if it is a popgun.
Fogey, you speak FO too?
Firemission, Fire for Effect, Charlie, POLAR, Over.
Grid Alpha Tango 6 5 6 9 6 3 4 9 5 6, direction 1550, Range five five zero meters, Over.
Ricers parked in open, Destruction, Danger Close, HE-super quick in effect, 5 rounds, Time on Target 1922, Time hack 1917, Over.
I authenticate Delta Romeo, over.
Hehehehe....
The A2/4 is good to 600meters with iron sights, and to 800 with optics. Also very reliable provided you keep it reasonably clean. My kinda rifle, even if it is a popgun.
Fogey, you speak FO too?
Firemission, Fire for Effect, Charlie, POLAR, Over.
Grid Alpha Tango 6 5 6 9 6 3 4 9 5 6, direction 1550, Range five five zero meters, Over.
Ricers parked in open, Destruction, Danger Close, HE-super quick in effect, 5 rounds, Time on Target 1922, Time hack 1917, Over.
I authenticate Delta Romeo, over.
Hehehehe....
Last edited by m21sniper; 08-29-2005 at 09:50 PM.
08-30-2005, 06:53 AM
#19
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Mark, Hiding is good. I also like the Arthurian method "Run away! Run away!" ;-)
M21, I got chewed out at Ft. Sill for starting a Fire Mission with FFE (after I missed, so much for showing off on the washboard). If you're danger close at 550 meters you're shooting something bigger than I ever did, unless you're on the GT line for naval gunfire. You must have grown up with secure commo to give your position like that, given what any English speaking FDO could do with a back bearing and range from those coordinates. ;-)
I might have chosen an airburst for tin cans in the open.
I once shot our NDF's onto the back side of a ridge about 150 meters away, then dropped fifty to our side of the ridge, without shooting, to register them for the night.
About an hour later my battalion CO choppered in with the Brigade CO (IIRC) and ordered me to show him a round for effect. It was against my better judgement, but it was an order. The single 155 HE round landed about ten meters on our side of the crest, just where I figured. A few of us were standing just outside our perimeter and a single, two pound piece of shrapnel landed right between he and I, sizzling in the wet ground. A foot either way and one of us would have lost a leg. He allowed as how the NDF's looked OK. I wish I'd kept the shrapnel as a souvenir.
M21, I got chewed out at Ft. Sill for starting a Fire Mission with FFE (after I missed, so much for showing off on the washboard). If you're danger close at 550 meters you're shooting something bigger than I ever did, unless you're on the GT line for naval gunfire. You must have grown up with secure commo to give your position like that, given what any English speaking FDO could do with a back bearing and range from those coordinates. ;-)
I might have chosen an airburst for tin cans in the open.
I once shot our NDF's onto the back side of a ridge about 150 meters away, then dropped fifty to our side of the ridge, without shooting, to register them for the night.
About an hour later my battalion CO choppered in with the Brigade CO (IIRC) and ordered me to show him a round for effect. It was against my better judgement, but it was an order. The single 155 HE round landed about ten meters on our side of the crest, just where I figured. A few of us were standing just outside our perimeter and a single, two pound piece of shrapnel landed right between he and I, sizzling in the wet ground. A foot either way and one of us would have lost a leg. He allowed as how the NDF's looked OK. I wish I'd kept the shrapnel as a souvenir.
08-30-2005, 09:40 PM
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All that Arty stuff! Sweet!
Marines had a 175SP battery out by Hill 327 in I Corps, near DaNang which used to fire over us all the time when my detachment was waiting to go on a trip to the bush. Then one day the USS Wisconsin (I think) did a little fire mission with the 16" main battery guns ... see we had this problem with a couple battalions of NVA regulars showing up where we expected like a company of VC?
When the sixteen inchers go overhead and land about 500 meters down range ... you get a concussion as in feeling like your ***** are in a set of vice grips.
Artillery ... the Infantry's Best Friends! Thanks for the fire missions guys, they helped me be here today.
Cheers,
Marines had a 175SP battery out by Hill 327 in I Corps, near DaNang which used to fire over us all the time when my detachment was waiting to go on a trip to the bush. Then one day the USS Wisconsin (I think) did a little fire mission with the 16" main battery guns ... see we had this problem with a couple battalions of NVA regulars showing up where we expected like a company of VC?
When the sixteen inchers go overhead and land about 500 meters down range ... you get a concussion as in feeling like your ***** are in a set of vice grips.
Artillery ... the Infantry's Best Friends! Thanks for the fire missions guys, they helped me be here today.
Cheers,
08-30-2005, 10:01 PM
#21
Williams in "Good Morning Vietnam", doing on of his better skits on the radio show
"What do you do soldier?"
I'M IN ARTILLERY!
"Well, what can I play on the radio for you?"
ANYTHING - JUST PAY IT LOUD OKAY!?
"What do you do soldier?"
I'M IN ARTILLERY!
"Well, what can I play on the radio for you?"
ANYTHING - JUST PAY IT LOUD OKAY!?
08-30-2005, 11:58 PM
#22
Fogey- "M21, I got chewed out at Ft. Sill for starting a Fire Mission with FFE (after I missed, so much for showing off on the washboard)."
LOL. If ya hadn't missed you'd have been a stud. Just the way it works sometimes.
Besides, if the first FFE misses, that's what God invented the "Add/Drop/Shift/Repeat" commands for.
"Drop 50, Repeat".
"If you're danger close at 550 meters you're shooting something bigger than I ever did, unless you're on the GT line for naval gunfire."
750 meters for naval fires, except the big Battlewagons- they're 1000 meters for HC(2000 for VT!!!). And well....we were talking about '16s', so why not some Mk7 16"/50s.
hehehehe, 45rds of Mk13HC 16". OH YEAH.
"You must have grown up with secure commo to give your position like that, given what any English speaking FDO could do with a back bearing and range from those coordinates."
SINCGARS baby, nothing like a little good ole digital frequency hopping fun(My Bn was actually the first Bn in the Army to be issued he new radios). For POLAR missions that's the protocol anyway.(Most firemissions still give target reference grids, but for a POLAR you give your pos with a range/direction order.)
"I might have chosen an airburst for tin cans in the open."
I wanted some cratering(form the mental picture of a parking lot hit by 45 superquick 16" HC shells!)...i don't want them damn ricers coming back(Hmmmm, shoulda made it FASCAMs, lol), but yeah, VT is nice too.
16" VT has a massive lethal radius though....at 550 meters, i think it best we stick to surface bursts, lol.
"I once shot our NDF's onto the back side of a ridge about 150 meters away, then dropped fifty to our side of the ridge, without shooting, to register them for the night.
About an hour later my battalion CO choppered in with the Brigade CO (IIRC) and ordered me to show him a round for effect. It was against my better judgement, but it was an order."
I think most soldiers can relate to that.
"The single 155 HE round landed about ten meters on our side of the crest, just where I figured. A few of us were standing just outside our perimeter and a single, two pound piece of shrapnel landed right between he and I, sizzling in the wet ground. A foot either way and one of us would have lost a leg. He allowed as how the NDF's looked OK. I wish I'd kept the shrapnel as a souvenir."
LOL!!!!!
Nothing like almost offing a light colonel, especially YOUR light colonel! It's a good thing he took it like a sport. Not all field grades would.
I never almost blowed up my Old man, but i did 'whack' him twice while operating as OPFOR. Two times in 4 days during the same field problem, as a matter of fact.
On the second instance, he was standing next to the Bde CO(A full bird by the name of Bondshue) outside the Bn CP, and i took him with rifle fire from about 700 meters(MILES gear) from a position on the ridge overlooking the valley the CP was in. When we got back to the barracks a few days later he caught up with me outside my Co. CO's office and demanded to know why i shot him instead of the Full bird.
So, in my most humble voice i simply replied, "You're a much better officer than he is sir".
LOL...never found myself on the REDFOR again after that for as long as the old man was our Bn CO. It was BLUFOR only for this little ex-corporal thereafter.
Hehehehe, the 'good' ole' days.
LOL. If ya hadn't missed you'd have been a stud. Just the way it works sometimes.
Besides, if the first FFE misses, that's what God invented the "Add/Drop/Shift/Repeat" commands for.
"Drop 50, Repeat".
"If you're danger close at 550 meters you're shooting something bigger than I ever did, unless you're on the GT line for naval gunfire."
750 meters for naval fires, except the big Battlewagons- they're 1000 meters for HC(2000 for VT!!!). And well....we were talking about '16s', so why not some Mk7 16"/50s.
hehehehe, 45rds of Mk13HC 16". OH YEAH.
"You must have grown up with secure commo to give your position like that, given what any English speaking FDO could do with a back bearing and range from those coordinates."
SINCGARS baby, nothing like a little good ole digital frequency hopping fun(My Bn was actually the first Bn in the Army to be issued he new radios). For POLAR missions that's the protocol anyway.(Most firemissions still give target reference grids, but for a POLAR you give your pos with a range/direction order.)
"I might have chosen an airburst for tin cans in the open."
I wanted some cratering(form the mental picture of a parking lot hit by 45 superquick 16" HC shells!)...i don't want them damn ricers coming back(Hmmmm, shoulda made it FASCAMs, lol), but yeah, VT is nice too.
16" VT has a massive lethal radius though....at 550 meters, i think it best we stick to surface bursts, lol.
"I once shot our NDF's onto the back side of a ridge about 150 meters away, then dropped fifty to our side of the ridge, without shooting, to register them for the night.
About an hour later my battalion CO choppered in with the Brigade CO (IIRC) and ordered me to show him a round for effect. It was against my better judgement, but it was an order."
I think most soldiers can relate to that.
"The single 155 HE round landed about ten meters on our side of the crest, just where I figured. A few of us were standing just outside our perimeter and a single, two pound piece of shrapnel landed right between he and I, sizzling in the wet ground. A foot either way and one of us would have lost a leg. He allowed as how the NDF's looked OK. I wish I'd kept the shrapnel as a souvenir."
LOL!!!!!
Nothing like almost offing a light colonel, especially YOUR light colonel! It's a good thing he took it like a sport. Not all field grades would.
I never almost blowed up my Old man, but i did 'whack' him twice while operating as OPFOR. Two times in 4 days during the same field problem, as a matter of fact.
On the second instance, he was standing next to the Bde CO(A full bird by the name of Bondshue) outside the Bn CP, and i took him with rifle fire from about 700 meters(MILES gear) from a position on the ridge overlooking the valley the CP was in. When we got back to the barracks a few days later he caught up with me outside my Co. CO's office and demanded to know why i shot him instead of the Full bird.
So, in my most humble voice i simply replied, "You're a much better officer than he is sir".
LOL...never found myself on the REDFOR again after that for as long as the old man was our Bn CO. It was BLUFOR only for this little ex-corporal thereafter.
Hehehehe, the 'good' ole' days.
Last edited by m21sniper; 08-31-2005 at 12:20 AM.
08-31-2005, 12:18 AM
#23
CWO4- "All that Arty stuff! Sweet!"
Oh hell yeah. I've ALWAYS said the single most powerful weapon any US soldier can wield is the radio.
"Then one day the USS Wisconsin (I think) did a little fire mission with the 16" main battery guns ... see we had this problem with a couple battalions of NVA regulars showing up where we expected like a company of VC?
When the sixteen inchers go overhead and land about 500 meters down range ... you get a concussion as in feeling like your ***** are in a set of vice grips."
16" guns are an implement of god himself IMO.
LOOK UNDER THE HELO, YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE THREE 16" SHELLS IN FLIGHT- each the size of a VW Bug!!!!
"Artillery ... the Infantry's Best Friends! Thanks for the fire missions guys, they helped me be here today."
Anything i can do to bring a **** eating grin to an old Chief Warrant's face is MY pleasure bro.
"FOLLOW ME!"
PS: I run the biggest A-10 Warthog site on the net, you fellas should stop in some time. Spitloads of vets and active duty on the forums
www.a-10.org
I'm sure you guys would dig it.
Oh hell yeah. I've ALWAYS said the single most powerful weapon any US soldier can wield is the radio.
"Then one day the USS Wisconsin (I think) did a little fire mission with the 16" main battery guns ... see we had this problem with a couple battalions of NVA regulars showing up where we expected like a company of VC?
When the sixteen inchers go overhead and land about 500 meters down range ... you get a concussion as in feeling like your ***** are in a set of vice grips."
16" guns are an implement of god himself IMO.
LOOK UNDER THE HELO, YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE THREE 16" SHELLS IN FLIGHT- each the size of a VW Bug!!!!
"Artillery ... the Infantry's Best Friends! Thanks for the fire missions guys, they helped me be here today."
Anything i can do to bring a **** eating grin to an old Chief Warrant's face is MY pleasure bro.
"FOLLOW ME!"
PS: I run the biggest A-10 Warthog site on the net, you fellas should stop in some time. Spitloads of vets and active duty on the forums
www.a-10.org
I'm sure you guys would dig it.
08-31-2005, 12:46 AM
#24
Hey CWO, just for you bro-
FM-6-30- TACTICS, TECHNIQUES, AND PROCEDURES FOR
OBSERVED FIRE.
Table 8-2, DC distances
Mk13 HE Quick 1000 meters
Mk13 HE /CVT(proximity) or ICM 2000 meters
8-31. 16-INCH NAVAL GUNFIRE MISSIONS
Adjusting fire from the 16-inch guns of a battleship
is somewhat different than adjusting that from the
5-inch guns.
a. Characteristics. The 16-inch gun produces a
significantly larger dispersion pattern than does
the 5-inch. The pattern is about 150 meters (or
greater) wide and 500 meters (or greater) long. The
pattern depends on the terrain, target range, and
number of guns in effect. The observer should expect
2 to 5 minutes between transmitting a correction and
shot of the next salvo.
FM-6-30- TACTICS, TECHNIQUES, AND PROCEDURES FOR
OBSERVED FIRE.
Table 8-2, DC distances
Mk13 HE Quick 1000 meters
Mk13 HE /CVT(proximity) or ICM 2000 meters
8-31. 16-INCH NAVAL GUNFIRE MISSIONS
Adjusting fire from the 16-inch guns of a battleship
is somewhat different than adjusting that from the
5-inch guns.
a. Characteristics. The 16-inch gun produces a
significantly larger dispersion pattern than does
the 5-inch. The pattern is about 150 meters (or
greater) wide and 500 meters (or greater) long. The
pattern depends on the terrain, target range, and
number of guns in effect. The observer should expect
2 to 5 minutes between transmitting a correction and
shot of the next salvo.
