Car will not turn off today.
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So the car was running as normal and when you turned the ignition key to the 'off' position it remained running?
Perhaps the ignition switch itself, can't think of what else would control both ignition and fuel delivery. Gotta hear the answer on this one!!
Perhaps the ignition switch itself, can't think of what else would control both ignition and fuel delivery. Gotta hear the answer on this one!!
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HeyMel,
I was just down stair playing with the fuse panel and checking all the fuses. I am sure something is grounding out because I had to replace fuse #15 twice now. I dont' know a window winder, which is fuse #15 could cause the car not to turn off. I will proceed to take the whole fuse panel out and clean it and check for any breakage in the wire. Thanks for the input Mel.
I was just down stair playing with the fuse panel and checking all the fuses. I am sure something is grounding out because I had to replace fuse #15 twice now. I dont' know a window winder, which is fuse #15 could cause the car not to turn off. I will proceed to take the whole fuse panel out and clean it and check for any breakage in the wire. Thanks for the input Mel.
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Looking through the other thread 'engine running w/key off' it appears Hanns resolved the issue by R&R 3 relays after the fuse board was water logged.
Sounds as if Mel has a similar issue with rain getting to the electrics...........I believe some cars have had problems with water leaking down from the fan motor area through the air recirc flap and into the passenger footwell and fuse panel.
Sounds as if Mel has a similar issue with rain getting to the electrics...........I believe some cars have had problems with water leaking down from the fan motor area through the air recirc flap and into the passenger footwell and fuse panel.
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Originally Posted by MGW-Fla
It does seem to be a problem of some kind of exposure of something electronic in the car to the elements, obviously moisture. Then after reading here on Rennlist of how some have had water intrusion problems in the passenger footwell and fuse panel area, that has caused me to strongly consider this as a possibilty. I have not noticed any obvious water, dampness, water stains, etc. the few times I've had time to be in the fuse panel area.
Perhaps there's no evidence of moisture in the pass. footwell but overtime the electrical components will attract small amount of dampness to the point of corroding contacts and causing problems.
I printed out the several info articles or post regarding plugged drain holes in the firewall & I plan to check my drain hole or holes in the firewall........
You should check the operation of the air recirc flap also...........it defaults to the 'outside air' position. Then while your in there do the fan motor at the same time and check all other related components. This effort will entail removal of the passenger shelf, the glove box and the hood......a good Sat project.
Whether my ac fan randomly coming on has any relationship with it or not, I have no idea. That gremlin seems to be more random, not relating to time or weather or being in the garage or out on the driveway.
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Very common to have rust down there above the fuse panel, from water leaking in at the sunroof and down the a-pillar and under the dash, or also from the air blower. Once you start getting water in there, your life can become ..... complicated.
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I had this problem after one of the drains clogged, and water ran into the cabin, and soaked my fuse pannel. At first i couldnt get the car to start, so i thought it was LH/EZK failure. I tested them, and they were fine. So, i tried testing all the relays that relate to fuel or ignition in the horn socket, all tested fine. This was very confusing. So i marked the fuel/ignition relays, as i still thougth them suspect, and started swithcing them with less important relays that were compatible. The car started, but wouldnt turn off. It turned out, that water got into the relays, and rusted the reeds, so that they would function one way but not another, all passed the horn test. Some would operate, but then stick becuase of the rust. The simple solution was to replace all the iginiton/fuel related relays. I spent less than $40 and it fixed the problem.
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Mel, Malcolm, Heinrich and Hans:
Thanks for all our input. Now that I'm back from work, let the fun begin. Let me get this right, I can test the relay in horn socket, but it doesn't always work. I can rule out dampness since I'm in Lost wages, I mean Las Vegas. I will post more information in the near future.
Thanks for all our input. Now that I'm back from work, let the fun begin. Let me get this right, I can test the relay in horn socket, but it doesn't always work. I can rule out dampness since I'm in Lost wages, I mean Las Vegas. I will post more information in the near future.
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Hey Thanit
Im home but im honestly at a loss at what would be causing this?
With the key out, the car runs?
If i can get a "kitchen pass" later i can come by and we can swap out relays?
So, your car has been running for nearly 24hrs now huh
Put a new fuse in. Start the car, leave the doors open then turn the key off, see if that does anything different. There is a circuit that will allow the windows to operate after the car is shut off as long as the door IS NOT open. I have my intercooler pump on this circuit. You said your blowing the window winder fuse, so perhasp there is a connection some where?
Im looking at the wiring diagrams now...but it sure is UGLY!
Im home but im honestly at a loss at what would be causing this?
With the key out, the car runs?
If i can get a "kitchen pass" later i can come by and we can swap out relays?
So, your car has been running for nearly 24hrs now huh
Put a new fuse in. Start the car, leave the doors open then turn the key off, see if that does anything different. There is a circuit that will allow the windows to operate after the car is shut off as long as the door IS NOT open. I have my intercooler pump on this circuit. You said your blowing the window winder fuse, so perhasp there is a connection some where?
Im looking at the wiring diagrams now...but it sure is UGLY!
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Hey Mel,
Try dropping some food coloring through the sunroof drain hole. Just a thought. As to my situation, I cleaned out the fuse panel with some can air and a shop vac. Reinstalled the panel and tested the ignition relay with the horn relay and it worked. I mean the horn came on. I turn the car over and my window is working again, however the car continue to run after I took he key out. Now I'm going to replace the ignition switch. The dealer in town does not have one so I'll have to wait until next Tuesday to find out if it is the switch. If the switch wasn't broken, it is now. I was curious as to the make up of it and I try to take it apart. Oh' well. On a side note, what does the two roller and the little button under the dash do? Believe it or not, I didn't even know it was there.
Try dropping some food coloring through the sunroof drain hole. Just a thought. As to my situation, I cleaned out the fuse panel with some can air and a shop vac. Reinstalled the panel and tested the ignition relay with the horn relay and it worked. I mean the horn came on. I turn the car over and my window is working again, however the car continue to run after I took he key out. Now I'm going to replace the ignition switch. The dealer in town does not have one so I'll have to wait until next Tuesday to find out if it is the switch. If the switch wasn't broken, it is now. I was curious as to the make up of it and I try to take it apart. Oh' well. On a side note, what does the two roller and the little button under the dash do? Believe it or not, I didn't even know it was there.
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Originally Posted by MGW-Fla
The roller on the left is the dimmer control for the dashlights, the one on the right is the control for your intermitten wipers. The small button on the right is to operate your high intensity windshield washers. I knew they were there, but didnt pay mine much attention till a few months ago when I replaced my ignition switch. Its neat what you discover & learn about your Shark once you start to work on it!
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Sorry it took so long to update you guys. It has been a busy week at work trying to get things line out before the 4th of July Holiday. The Ignition switch came in the male this week and I installed it and the car it works. And again, thanks for all the advise guys. I also found out why my light would go off intermittently. The relay was loose, not in the socket mind you. The relay was tight in the socket, but loose because of it's aluminum cover. I can wiggle the cover and the lights will go on and off. However, my dash board lights will not come on now. I am hoping that I just forget to connect one of the connector. Such a busy week and now I'm off to Boston for my brother's wedding. Thanks for all the help guys.