bcdavis

That really sucks.

I don't care if they want to collect their taxes and fees.

But I'm really worried that these tax and smog ***** will run the custom car hobby out of existence.
Pretty soon you won't be able to put on body kits, or custom wheels, etc...
Unless they are registered wheels, taxed wheels, and certified safe and stock.

I can understand if maybe Boyd was selling his vehicles for $100,000 and it was being taxed
and licensed as a $20,000 kit car. But if the buyers pay taxes, then it should be fine.
But what about someone who builds their own hot rod? From scratch?
Do you have to pay taxes on something you built youself?
You already paid taxes on the materials, etc...

Anyhow, getting off topic and ranting a bit...

I am just fearful that the government has it in for anything that is not a standard car
from the main car-makers. I do not think they like the idea of hot rods, etc...
Pretty soon you won't be able to get a cool car, unless you buy one that
comes off a showroom floor...

rob rossitto

holy crap! guess you'd better scratch the kit car thing, unless you build it out of legos!

Fogey1

G-Man,

I've followed this car since the first thread started and I actually called my DMV to see how Ohio treated a Florida COD. I was told it was the kiss of death. I kept on researching, wrote to the seller and got a scan of the title (since trashed), and found what might have been a loophole in Ohio. So I checked again and was told "no way" again by the flunky who answered the phone. So I gave up for hassle, lack of room and matrimonial harmony reasons.

I read this new thread this morning. I had been glad to see you get the car and think what's happening now sucks.

Then, on the way out of town this afternoon, I passed a building with a Highway Patrol car outside and a sign that said Ohio State Highway Patrol Salvage Vehicle Inspection Station! Since I believe in serendipity and had only talked to DMV people before, I went in to chat.

The inspector there and the 25 year veteran trooper showed me their regs and both said the same thing - it could be done, if ...

It's and out-of-state title;
It's a Junk or Non-Rebuildable title;
It's inspected (by them) and found to be legal and roadworthy;
I didn't ask for details because I can't imagine an operational 928 would fail, and;
The title one would be issued is for a Self Assembled Vehicle - and if dune buggies will get it, so will a 928.

I did ask a couple of times about a Florida Certificate of Destruction and neither guy seemed daunted by the scary name. Though neither said "Oh yeah, we've done one of those," and they said they'd want to see it. They said they had discretion in what counted as a Junk or Non-Rebuildable title, and the inspector noted that you could get some decent deals this way.

BTW, I'm pretty sure this is the same loophole, except for the Self Assembled Vehicle title angle, that the DMV phone answerer said would not work. But ... they were in Columbus, the capital, and I'm in a semi-rural, semi-Appalachian county, and ... the guys I talked to actually work in the very area I wanted to know about and aren't just on phone duty.

So I told 'em the whole story, including that I'd passed and that the car was now in Nevada. They figured it was hopeless in Nevada but didn't really say why. Nor did they say BTDT. When I told 'em it was a 928 they reacted with "oh yeah, nice car, hot V8" and asked if I was thinking of getting a helluva deal from you. So ....... I might be willing to take this PITA car off your hands for $500 ;-).

OR ... I'll delve deeper if you send a copy of both sides of the COD to show them, and if they swear they can do it I'll help with the various transfers to wash this title. Assuming Nevada will re-title a self-assembled vehicle, etc , etc. Or you can delve by your own self - email me at <thatdog@columbus.rr.com> and I'll shoot you the phone number of the inspection station.

Or ... you can search out the equivalent guys in the Nevada Highway Patrol, if they exist, and get a more knowledgeable answer.

Think how cool it would be to have a 928 you made yourself! Good Luck.

G Man

Thanks for the support and the suggestions thus far. I am not sure how high I will have to escalate this issue to get the results that I want. I am no where close to being ready to give up. I have not tried any upper management at the DMV yet. I guess that will be next. I was wondering if any government officials had the authority to over ride the DMV. Carson City is the state capital, and the Governer does live here in the Goveners mansion. I don't know if it would be possible to meet with him to discuss my problem with the DMV. He is actually a pretty down to earth guy. The company I work for ( Charter Communications ) has been in his pad to do cable tv installation work while he was there. He was chatting with the tech's and even offered them a brewskie when they were done. Sure this is probably a long shot, but I am willing to give it a try if I can't get results at a lower level. Updates to follow.

Bill Ball

Jim:

Persistence usually pays off. Keep the positive attitude!

Tony

Hmmmm.
Does that document NEED to be produced? Is it a seperate doc from the title?
How does NV DMV "KNOW" it has a COD issued unless you tell them.
In other words....If it is a seperate thing, play dumb and just speak when spoken to
If there is somethign i can do down here in Vegas, let me know..It will cost you if i have to stand in a DMV line though

Crackhead944S

Couldn't you just have an authorized individual fill this:

http://www.dmvnv.com/pdfforms/rd64.pdf

out?

I might also try to speak with a member of the Highway Patrol. In reading the NH DMV's site it sounds like Ohio where they just want to inspect and verify that the vehicle is not stolen and is road worthy.

G Man

Tony. the COD is the only legal document I have for the car. The PO claims the insurance took his title when the car was in the accident. When he bought the car back from the insurance co. they gave him the COD document in place of the title.

Mark. I have that document. When I went to the DMV to see if they would register the car before I bought it, they gave me that document to have filled out by a licensed garage. As we now know they are not honoring their word about registering the car.

rixter

Jim,
really sorry to hear about this.. now wish I'd never posted the bloody thing..
however.. I was speaking to a gent last nite who has retitled a number of cars over the years and I happened to lay out your situation for him.. he said to try Idaho.. if they will give a title he'll even help you out!
I hate Fla... they have the DUMBEST DMV laws in the country,, really.. no state inspection yet they can declare a car non-repairable (COD) even though it's in better shape than half the legal cars on the road down there... my Weissch only had an engine fire and they did the same thing, like an engine can't be replaced
personally I think the insurance companies are to blame, a nimrod with no experience fixing cars gets to decide the fate of your vehicle vs a qualified repair expert

rixter

here's how screwed up Fla is... total wreck is '99 with unknown mileage... comes with a Fla "rebuildable" title... the nice looking car is a '92 with 78k miles, comes with COD

both of these cars are at an insurance auction in Orlando

Jim bailey - 928 International

Rixter at the point in time that the insurance company decides to kill a title it is the INSURANCE companies car they bought it ,they own it ,and they can JUNK IT. A such the wreck and paperwork have little value. Cars sold with salvage titles bring more money because they can be "rebuilt" and nationally something like HALF of all totaled cars do end up back on the road. It is only cars which are very badly damaged (or stripped or flood)that insurance companies declare not recoverable junk or COD and it costs the insurance company because they get less money when they sell what is left. Insurance companies especially with Porsche cars will kill the titles because so many completely stripped 911s nothing left but the tub were being put back together......often with the very same parts which had been CAREFULLY removed before the shell was dropped along the side of the road and then the car reported as "stolen". At one time I had heard that $1,500 would get you any model Porsche you wanted dropped dropped of in your driveway after they removed the Lowjack but complete car . I saw the title of one 911 cab which had been rebuilt three times in just a few years. The cabs were popular because the convertible tops sold "used" for about $3,000 when it was popular and money making to turn Targa cars into Cabs. The first "mistake" was the original owner not knowing what a COD means ,second was his rebuilding the car( and what if they did jump the vin numbers to a stolen car or rebuild it with stolen parts? which is what the insurance company was trying to prevent) . The unfortunate mistake was the Nevada DMV employee giving bad advice. From all the comments it sounds as if a few states might issue a new title in spite of the Florida COD. Some states require that even salvage title /rebuilt cars must have vin # verification and a listing of the parts purchased for the repair a few insist on the vin numbers of the car which the replacement parts are removed from ! The laws do vary greatly from state to state but because of all the abuses,stolen cars,stolen parts, unsafe "repairs", consumer fraud selling totaled cars to unsuspecting buyers, there a some very valid reasons why Insurance companies sometimes opt to kill the title. The one thing you can be sure of is THIS 928 when the insurance company issued the COD did not look much like it does TODAY ! Jim I do hope you can find a way around this I however do not know how.

Jim bailey - 928 International

My point was it is the INSURANCE company which decides not the state.

928FIXER

I'll take it off your hands for my highist bid price

docmirror

Since I was interested in the same thing, I researched a bit online today. So far, I've come across the same basic message in the various state's online registration sites. They all say the same basic thing as below, which is an abstract from Virginia:

Quote
A nonrepairable certificate cannot be used as a title for transferring ownership (a bill of sale must be used), nor can it be used as the basis for vehicle registration. It is unlawful for any person to sell a nonrepairable vehicle to any person unless they are a scrap metal processor, licensed as a salvage dealer, demolisher, or a vehicle removal operator.

A vehicle for which a nonrepairable certificate has been issued can never again be titled, registered, or legally driven in Virginia. The vehicle may only be used for parts. End quote

So, the vehicle is not actually a vehicle, despite it's likeness to what we generally call such. It's what we used to use to define a Helicopter to the uninitiated, to whit: Helicopter - "a collection of spare parts, all flying in very close formation". In this case, it would be a collection of spare parts, all rolling in very close formation. The salient point is, after the COD was issued, it changed from a 'vehicle' to a set of spare parts. The dealer is Florida is off the hook as he sold it as such, spare parts.

I'm hopeful there's a way around this, but it looks like the kiss of death, as it is meant to be, to combat fraud and theft. If the owner 'lost' the COD, and then applied for a salvage title based on lost title(of any kind, salvage or not) and State police inspection, that's a nono. So is VIN hackery/butchery as I saw mentioned in several states online sites. They are very careful about the VIN being moved from one chassis to another.

After 1982, the VIN for a car is stamped in several places on all cars. Not all of those places are disclosed to the general public, but the state police can find out where they are. For example, the VIN on some Fords is also stamped into the body at the juncture of the rear seat back to trunk flange. It is also found on the inside of the C pillar, near the rear window surround on most Fords.

Good luck on the quest, keep us informed.

Sierra Shark

Since you were issued a COD that more or less means that car no longer exists. Could you get the Nevada DMV to issue a new set of vin numbers to the car under the heading of it being an experimental one off used for show and demonstration? wink, wink.... In some states you can get this type of registration allowing you to drive it on the highways for the purpose of moving it to a show/demonstration. Much like a horseless carriage license plate for antique cars. All you would need to do then is get the new numbers either stamped into the right places or have a plate done with the proper numbers on it rivited to the chassis. Kind of kit car style.