Child Seat
#16
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I found a child seat (not an infant seat which faces backwards) that fits in the back of the 928. I'll have to look at the name again, but the way I found it was by taking the 928 to Toys-R-Us and asking the employees there to let me park outside the front door and test each seat, one by one, until I found one that fit. You've got to get a seat that has a very narrow base.
#18
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I have the factory child seat that has a custom matching bottome to fit in the 928 rear seat. The only problem i have with it is that the fabric has a teady bear and 911 print on it. Someone really goofed that one up. It came with the car, and since i dont have kids i havent used it yet, but i have test fitted it for fun. It also have straps that hook into the loops in the cargo bay to help secure it. I am sure it is an expensive bit of kit coming from the stealership, but you know it would fit.
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#19
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Shoulder belts are NOT GOOD in the rear of our cars. They strap across the infant's throat. I have installed 3 different models. You will need to have a child seat that has very tall sides so that the lapbelt can strap across and around the side and DOWN to the receiver of the buckle.
I have a few models I use. 944/911 like small seats and a tiedown strap to strap them into place securely. For the 928 I recommend those seats with a bar across the seat that comes down. I also bought a nice Centuryu with a movable cupholder that fits perfectly. It has a velcro-attached headpad too. From Costco maybe 2 years ago. It has a small base and high sides. Perfect.
I have a few models I use. 944/911 like small seats and a tiedown strap to strap them into place securely. For the 928 I recommend those seats with a bar across the seat that comes down. I also bought a nice Centuryu with a movable cupholder that fits perfectly. It has a velcro-attached headpad too. From Costco maybe 2 years ago. It has a small base and high sides. Perfect.
#20
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All of the infant seats that I have seen have the shoulder and lap belt portions going through the same slots and holes of the seat. I haven't seen anything that would, if installed correctly, jeopardize an infant.
For toddlers seats ditto on infants' as the shoulder strap goes with the lap strap through the tunnel that is below the rear end of the child. No threat.
Most child booster seats have little shoulder strap guides that bring the shoulder belt to an appropriate height for the child within. If you do not use these hook-like guides, then yes it is a dangerous fitment problem. Specifically, these would be the booster seats that have backs.
Heinrich is absolutely right about back-less booster seats. The smaller the child the greater the threat. I have noticed that some cars, our minivan for example, have little shoulder belt guides integrated into the rear seatbacks to effectively lower the shoulder attachment point and improve the fit if needed. If you have small children with backless boosters in the rear (I haven't seen any standalone backless boosters that fit well back there, but haven't looked long and hard lately) you should definitely consider a shoulder strap height guide of some sort.
For toddlers seats ditto on infants' as the shoulder strap goes with the lap strap through the tunnel that is below the rear end of the child. No threat.
Most child booster seats have little shoulder strap guides that bring the shoulder belt to an appropriate height for the child within. If you do not use these hook-like guides, then yes it is a dangerous fitment problem. Specifically, these would be the booster seats that have backs.
Heinrich is absolutely right about back-less booster seats. The smaller the child the greater the threat. I have noticed that some cars, our minivan for example, have little shoulder belt guides integrated into the rear seatbacks to effectively lower the shoulder attachment point and improve the fit if needed. If you have small children with backless boosters in the rear (I haven't seen any standalone backless boosters that fit well back there, but haven't looked long and hard lately) you should definitely consider a shoulder strap height guide of some sort.
#21
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The seat I used attaches to the car using the regular seatbelt and a tether over the back of the seat to an anchor in the rear hatch. The child is secured to the car seat with its own 5 point harness. The car's seatbelt does not go in front of the child. Secure the car seat, then secure the child to the car seat. Two separate concepts. That should alleviate the problem with shoulder belts in newer models.
#22
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Dave / James, crect. But our rear shoulder belts are very bad (by modern standards) devices for kids. No real way to secure the child seat with them. The old lap belts are much shorter, out of the way and do a great way of holding the seat down.
Dave --- you have the key component there. "Secure the car seat, then secure the child to the car seat. Two separate concepts. "
Dave --- you have the key component there. "Secure the car seat, then secure the child to the car seat. Two separate concepts. "
#23
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I have a cheap "just in case" backless car seat in my truck. It has a plastic bar that goes across the lap. Anyhow, the shoulder belt instructions specifically say to put the shoulder belt behind the seat and secure the child only with the lap belt across the plastic bar. Not sure that this would be doable in a later model 928 w/ rear shoulder belts and a different seat???
My 928 is old enough to have only lap belts in the back - I am fine with this. 90% of the time when I transport kids, I am only taking one child from here to there. So in most every case, they sit in the front seat (no airbags either). The front shoulder belt acceptable, but just barely.
For bigger kids, I was not aware of 5 point harnesses. It was very liberating (and back-saving) when my smallest child became able to fasten and unfasten her own seatbelt. I might consider a multi-point harness that is integrated with the rear seat if it were legal and if the child could fasten/unfasten without much assistance. Obviously not talking 2 year olds here.
My 928 is old enough to have only lap belts in the back - I am fine with this. 90% of the time when I transport kids, I am only taking one child from here to there. So in most every case, they sit in the front seat (no airbags either). The front shoulder belt acceptable, but just barely.
For bigger kids, I was not aware of 5 point harnesses. It was very liberating (and back-saving) when my smallest child became able to fasten and unfasten her own seatbelt. I might consider a multi-point harness that is integrated with the rear seat if it were legal and if the child could fasten/unfasten without much assistance. Obviously not talking 2 year olds here.
#26
[QUOTE=martini928]Has anyone seen or owned this. Maybe someone can post a pics of this original child seat.
Only left out of this official parts diagram is the "Achtung! Baby Am Bord" placard, which set off the whole " ### on Board" craze in the USA a few years ago.
Ah bits of trivia .... but I may need a seat one of these days what with the close possibility of grandparentage .....
Cheers,
Dave
Only left out of this official parts diagram is the "Achtung! Baby Am Bord" placard, which set off the whole " ### on Board" craze in the USA a few years ago.
Ah bits of trivia .... but I may need a seat one of these days what with the close possibility of grandparentage .....
Cheers,
Dave
#28
Race Car
Sab,
Sorry, but the only ones I have seen recently are too wide to fit back there. I haven't done too much shopping around lately 'cause I am just looking for extra seats for our non-primary cars.
I'll let you know if I come across something.
Sorry, but the only ones I have seen recently are too wide to fit back there. I haven't done too much shopping around lately 'cause I am just looking for extra seats for our non-primary cars.
I'll let you know if I come across something.