certificate of destruction, new title?
12-30-2004, 10:23 PM
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I feel that the issue here is whether to own and drive the car or not. If you are only interested in owning it with a future eye towards re-sale, then indeed the COD and all the problems of obtaining a new title make the deal moot for you.
OTOH, if you really want to see this car on the road again and alive, all you have to do is take a few days off from the salt mine, fly over the Pennsy and drive the little booger back home with a made up temporary/transport paper plate on the bumper (easy to make using your laser printer) and then start finding the ways to re-title it.
If you have to get a Washington state title with a little check mark in the corner, is that so bad if you own and drive the car for the next 5 years? Even if you paid $5,000 for it that costs you only $84 a month! Some folks spend more than that on Viagra or on Weed (or both), for crying out loud.
Speaking of "transport plates", - why not just make your own "Temporary Transport Tag" and drive around with it never looking back. Yeah yeah yeah, I know, criminal scofflaw, and a total reprobate and this behavior is probably totally distasteful to people living in California, Oregon, Washington, and Colorado.
Here are some forms we use in Tennessee ... you can go to this web site and get a form for a salvage title and a concealed handgun permit at the very same time.
http://www.state.tn.us/safety/forms/
Cheers,
Dave
OTOH, if you really want to see this car on the road again and alive, all you have to do is take a few days off from the salt mine, fly over the Pennsy and drive the little booger back home with a made up temporary/transport paper plate on the bumper (easy to make using your laser printer) and then start finding the ways to re-title it.
If you have to get a Washington state title with a little check mark in the corner, is that so bad if you own and drive the car for the next 5 years? Even if you paid $5,000 for it that costs you only $84 a month! Some folks spend more than that on Viagra or on Weed (or both), for crying out loud.
Speaking of "transport plates", - why not just make your own "Temporary Transport Tag" and drive around with it never looking back. Yeah yeah yeah, I know, criminal scofflaw, and a total reprobate and this behavior is probably totally distasteful to people living in California, Oregon, Washington, and Colorado.
Here are some forms we use in Tennessee ... you can go to this web site and get a form for a salvage title and a concealed handgun permit at the very same time.
http://www.state.tn.us/safety/forms/
Cheers,
Dave
12-31-2004, 02:14 AM
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Guys,
I am not looking for a clean title, I am just looking to drive my car. I have been looking for months to try and get it legit, but it is extremely difficult with a COD. Also, Dave, driving on fake plates is fine, but for an insurance company to insure and cover the vehicle then you need to have a valid registration. Driving on fake plates is one thing, getting into an accident without any sort of insurance coverage is another. If you know of any place (besides NH or WA) that will allow this car to be titled (regardless of a mark on the title) then please let me know. I have spent months and hundreds of dollars trying to get any sort of legit title for my car to no avail. Bottom line, for a car this cheap, its not worth the hassel when you can get a clean titled one for only a few thousand more.
I am not looking for a clean title, I am just looking to drive my car. I have been looking for months to try and get it legit, but it is extremely difficult with a COD. Also, Dave, driving on fake plates is fine, but for an insurance company to insure and cover the vehicle then you need to have a valid registration. Driving on fake plates is one thing, getting into an accident without any sort of insurance coverage is another. If you know of any place (besides NH or WA) that will allow this car to be titled (regardless of a mark on the title) then please let me know. I have spent months and hundreds of dollars trying to get any sort of legit title for my car to no avail. Bottom line, for a car this cheap, its not worth the hassel when you can get a clean titled one for only a few thousand more.
12-31-2004, 03:12 AM
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Here's my thought,
My research on the matter as I had been looking at salvage cars. In VA "IF" you are licensed as a rebuilder, $100 one time state licensing fee, you could "rebuild a salvage title" it would be marked but it would work. In order to get the rebuilder license your business need to be located in a qualified commercial zone. As to the COD title I have no idea what that actually means in VA as they have a cert of "non repairable" in VA and if it is marked as such in VA you can NEVER re-title it. If you want me to do some looking in CA, I own some property in a commercial zone, it is actually a 1930's Ford service garage for a local dealership that had about 16 lifts. I may be able to help but as to the costs for licensing and everything else?? The lifts are no longer there nor are any of the parts or anything else for that matter. I will do the research if you are interested. If you are able/willing to pay for the re-licensing fees I would be up to the task.
It sounds like you have tried everything but the obvious. I can't guarantee any outcome though.
Sorry
Michael
My research on the matter as I had been looking at salvage cars. In VA "IF" you are licensed as a rebuilder, $100 one time state licensing fee, you could "rebuild a salvage title" it would be marked but it would work. In order to get the rebuilder license your business need to be located in a qualified commercial zone. As to the COD title I have no idea what that actually means in VA as they have a cert of "non repairable" in VA and if it is marked as such in VA you can NEVER re-title it. If you want me to do some looking in CA, I own some property in a commercial zone, it is actually a 1930's Ford service garage for a local dealership that had about 16 lifts. I may be able to help but as to the costs for licensing and everything else?? The lifts are no longer there nor are any of the parts or anything else for that matter. I will do the research if you are interested. If you are able/willing to pay for the re-licensing fees I would be up to the task.
It sounds like you have tried everything but the obvious. I can't guarantee any outcome though.
Sorry
Michael
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12-31-2004, 03:49 AM
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I bought a 1993 VW Corrado in WA state that was reposed by the bank and then written off by the insurance company. The car was written off because it was missing the moon roof and ECU computers. I bought the car not running so I did not know some wiring in the dash was fried and the engine mounts needed replacing. The transmission syncros being shot I expected because it had racing pins holding down the hood.
Anyway, It was easy to get the car titled in WA state but it had a BIG RED "REBUILT" across the title. The car was VERY hard to sell.
If it was 928intl selling it and they said it runs great I would buy it. When it is "Butler Auto Recycling" I wouldn't take the risk.
Anyway, It was easy to get the car titled in WA state but it had a BIG RED "REBUILT" across the title. The car was VERY hard to sell.
If it was 928intl selling it and they said it runs great I would buy it. When it is "Butler Auto Recycling" I wouldn't take the risk.
12-31-2004, 10:15 AM
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the problem is there are no national guidelines on what is and what isn't rebuildable, FLA takes all vehicles considered a "total loss"' by insurance companies and issues a "COD" , here in NC it is given a "Salvage" title, whether it is rebuildable is another story
we have a 2003 police interceptor, 35k miles, cop wrecked it, NC issued a "salvage title", we took it to the state for inspection, they gave us a list of all items needed to be repaired for it to be considered for a "Salvage/Rebuilt" title... in FLA it would have been given a "COD"
the car suffered significant damage to the front end but it is all easily (for us) to repair...
Now, when done, it will carry the "Salvage/Rebuilt" moniker with it everywhere it goes, and probably won't be able to be titled in Fla if taken there...
all kind of strange, I'm sure the fairly lax laws regarding regular state inspections had something to do with this... a while back, FLA did away with annual inspections and suddenly roads were lined with old junkers folks just pulled out of their backyard and drove until they broke down and they were abandoned... I'd love to see this car back on the road legal but I'm not taking it to WA to take a chance I might get a title... even if I do, the FLA COD will follow it everywhere, it doesn't just disappear.. not necessarily a big deal if I'm going to keep it forever, but it is a big deal to potential buyers...
I could always fix it and drive it occasionally with a dealer plate, but the problem is insurance if something happens...
oh well, I'll keep investigating and let ya'll know
we have a 2003 police interceptor, 35k miles, cop wrecked it, NC issued a "salvage title", we took it to the state for inspection, they gave us a list of all items needed to be repaired for it to be considered for a "Salvage/Rebuilt" title... in FLA it would have been given a "COD"
the car suffered significant damage to the front end but it is all easily (for us) to repair...
Now, when done, it will carry the "Salvage/Rebuilt" moniker with it everywhere it goes, and probably won't be able to be titled in Fla if taken there...
all kind of strange, I'm sure the fairly lax laws regarding regular state inspections had something to do with this... a while back, FLA did away with annual inspections and suddenly roads were lined with old junkers folks just pulled out of their backyard and drove until they broke down and they were abandoned... I'd love to see this car back on the road legal but I'm not taking it to WA to take a chance I might get a title... even if I do, the FLA COD will follow it everywhere, it doesn't just disappear.. not necessarily a big deal if I'm going to keep it forever, but it is a big deal to potential buyers...
I could always fix it and drive it occasionally with a dealer plate, but the problem is insurance if something happens...
oh well, I'll keep investigating and let ya'll know
12-31-2004, 12:34 PM
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Have you ever thought trying to get some type of abandoned vehicle title?This is the type of title that impound lots and property owners get when vehicles are left behind with no title.I've used it many times to get titles to vehicles bought cheaply without proper paperwork.
12-31-2004, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by 928FIXER
Have you ever thought trying to get some type of abandoned vehicle title?This is the type of title that impound lots and property owners get when vehicles are left behind with no title.I've used it many times to get titles to vehicles bought cheaply without proper paperwork.
01-03-2005, 08:34 PM
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I was thinking. In Georgia you can register, buy, sell a car with a bill of sale after it is X years old.I dont see why you would need a title at all if you just plan on driving it.
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I actually checked Georgia. The car I am trying to title is a 91 so it is not old enough. Also, if you are buying a car with no title from out of state in Georgia you need to get a certificate from the state it was last titled, and therefore I think it would still show up.
01-06-2005, 12:44 PM
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Several years ago, I looked into a COD car in Florida. Turns out a car can be determined 'salvage' OR 'Certificate of Destruction' in the State of Florida. A COD means it can never be titled for use or driven in Florida again. I believe Florida allows salvage titles for cars that have been totalled, but .....well.....salvageable, but issued COD for cars deemed too damaged to ever allow on the street again. As pointed out, different States have different laws - and they use different terms to describe them. My conclusion then, after a lot of time invested, was that a COD title from Florida is permanent death there, and in virtually every other State. I'm not interested in fake plates or enormous effort and wrangling.
Last fall, I bought a salvage title car in Maryland. It was advertised a 'theft recovery'. Turns out, the legal owner parked it and walked away. He couldn't affort the payments - my assumption based on the paperwork in the glovebox with Corporate Ford and terms best described as obscenely beneficial to Ford. So, owner walked. It had some fees tacked on for the recovery and impounding, I'm sure, and Ford likely decided they'd made plenty on the car and would have it auctioned. It's an official Maryland Salvage Title, but on the title is typed "****Abandoned Vehicle*****". There was no damage at all to the car. It's still under factory warranty. However, the new Wisconsin title is a 'Salvage Title' and I know it will devalue the car when I sell. As an aside, in Maryland, you cannot license such a car with that title AND they would not issue a 'temp' of any kind to me. The body shop I bought it from is part of a salvage operation (which got the car at auction) which is allowed to issue it's own Maryland temp plates - legally. So, I drove the car home.
Last fall, I bought a salvage title car in Maryland. It was advertised a 'theft recovery'. Turns out, the legal owner parked it and walked away. He couldn't affort the payments - my assumption based on the paperwork in the glovebox with Corporate Ford and terms best described as obscenely beneficial to Ford. So, owner walked. It had some fees tacked on for the recovery and impounding, I'm sure, and Ford likely decided they'd made plenty on the car and would have it auctioned. It's an official Maryland Salvage Title, but on the title is typed "****Abandoned Vehicle*****". There was no damage at all to the car. It's still under factory warranty. However, the new Wisconsin title is a 'Salvage Title' and I know it will devalue the car when I sell. As an aside, in Maryland, you cannot license such a car with that title AND they would not issue a 'temp' of any kind to me. The body shop I bought it from is part of a salvage operation (which got the car at auction) which is allowed to issue it's own Maryland temp plates - legally. So, I drove the car home.
