Answer: "Why are the 928 Supercharger Kits so Expensive?"
11-03-2004, 03:46 PM
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What about comparisons to Corvette kits?
Corvette Vortech kit
Click on the "566 RWHP C5" icon in the center of that page for the pricing on thier basic kit.
The Devek stage 2 headers are $950. Maybe we should we be comparing the price of those to the price of Mustang headers too then.
Corvette Vortech kit
Click on the "566 RWHP C5" icon in the center of that page for the pricing on thier basic kit.
The Devek stage 2 headers are $950. Maybe we should we be comparing the price of those to the price of Mustang headers too then.
11-03-2004, 03:54 PM
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Kits cost time and money and like someone said some brain power to get it right.
Carl is in business... he would like to make money. I think Andy would like to as well
The real question is why are they so cheap compared to what Gemballa, Calloway, or a stroker mod would cost. Granted cars by those companies mod the engines in some cases for the boost... but arent they basically a $3000 kit and selling for 30k or more.
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Carl is in business... he would like to make money. I think Andy would like to as well
The real question is why are they so cheap compared to what Gemballa, Calloway, or a stroker mod would cost. Granted cars by those companies mod the engines in some cases for the boost... but arent they basically a $3000 kit and selling for 30k or more.
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11-03-2004, 04:08 PM
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Carl isn't lying, he has no reason to. I don't see a problem with keeping listers and vendors honest, but I'd say if there is a difference, then it must be because different vendors offer different kits. My experiences with Carl have been that he clearly is above-board, in as much as I can see. Personally I think, if we held all the 928 vendors to this high a standard of correct communications, we'd have only one vendor .... and you know who that is ..... and even they aren't perfect.
11-03-2004, 04:58 PM
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From Im000-
Here is my post:
Gretch -
Boy are you ever correct with that one. Hence the need for "Stages" for different priorities. Just like software - we have our "Power Users" who want every bell and whistle we can get, and we have our customers that complain if the software has too many bells and whistles - 
But I beleive my customers with pre-85 928s will hit the price ceiling sooner than Tim's customers will. Tim and I have talked many times about how different our customer bases are. An $8k investment on your 18 to 40K S4, GT, or GTS is one thing, but the early group is not as willing to bolt that much onto their cars (it seems) all in one chunk. I can price this thing right out of what they are willing to spend on their old car. So, we try hard to keep costs in check. We are in it for the long haul - no intent to make all the money in a single sale.
I feel bad for my 944 Turbo friends. They had their "Big 3" too for turbo upgrades and performance parts. But I have heard that Huntley Performance has just gone out of business. They were good guys and did some nice 944 development. They will be missed. And the 944 group has one fewer place to turn to for answers.
On the Mustang kit, even the SC mounting bracket was left out from the stated list.
Supercharger
Supercharger mounting bracket
190 LPH in-line fuel pump
"Powerchip"
By-pass valve
FMU
K&N Air Filter
Supercharger mounting bracket
190 LPH in-line fuel pump
"Powerchip"
By-pass valve
FMU
K&N Air Filter
there are several classes of "customers" and they all have different prioreties.
But I beleive my customers with pre-85 928s will hit the price ceiling sooner than Tim's customers will. Tim and I have talked many times about how different our customer bases are. An $8k investment on your 18 to 40K S4, GT, or GTS is one thing, but the early group is not as willing to bolt that much onto their cars (it seems) all in one chunk. I can price this thing right out of what they are willing to spend on their old car. So, we try hard to keep costs in check. We are in it for the long haul - no intent to make all the money in a single sale.
I feel bad for my 944 Turbo friends. They had their "Big 3" too for turbo upgrades and performance parts. But I have heard that Huntley Performance has just gone out of business. They were good guys and did some nice 944 development. They will be missed. And the 944 group has one fewer place to turn to for answers.
11-03-2004, 05:35 PM
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Z - you are right, why are we comparing it to a Mustang kit, why not a Corvette kit?
Even better - why not other 928 kits! Like the "M Jordan" analogy (all on the same court at the same time) wouldn't that be a little closer to it?
Even better - why not other 928 kits! Like the "M Jordan" analogy (all on the same court at the same time) wouldn't that be a little closer to it?
11-03-2004, 05:47 PM
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Here is the supercharger kit from Evolution Motorsports for the Porsche 997.
It costs $10,900 (but dont take my word for it, click here:
http://www.evoms.com/porsche%20ec%20art%20test.htm
and this is what you get:
997 Supercharger System Components:
Vortech V2 Centrifugal Supercharger
CNC Machined Billet Aluminum Supercharger Mount
Cast Aluminum Liquid to Air Intercooler
Billet Aluminum EVO “Supercharged” Serial Number Plate
OEM Porsche center radiator kit w/ air duct and spoiler molding
Bosch High Flow quiet water pump
Roto-molded fresh air intake system w/ K&N filter
Laser cut MAF mount with 3.5" housing
Roto-molded charge air plumbing
Roto-molded water reservoir & fill tank
Bosch Diverter Valve
6-High Flow Bosch Fuel Injectors
Custom oil feed and oil drain lines
CNC Machined oil feed and drain fittings
Proprietary GIAC tuned Motronic Control Unit
Goodyear water lines
Longer serpentine belt utilizing the OEM belt tensioner
Crank case ventilation system
Water pump wiring harness w/ safety LED warning indicator light
OEM quality clamps, hoses and hardware
1 year limited warranty on parts
It advertised to produce : 470 HP @ 6800 RPM’s
Torque: 360 TQ from 5000 RPM’s to 6800 RPM’s
Boost Pressure: 0.35 bar (5psi)
It costs $10,900 (but dont take my word for it, click here:
http://www.evoms.com/porsche%20ec%20art%20test.htm
and this is what you get:
997 Supercharger System Components:
Vortech V2 Centrifugal Supercharger
CNC Machined Billet Aluminum Supercharger Mount
Cast Aluminum Liquid to Air Intercooler
Billet Aluminum EVO “Supercharged” Serial Number Plate
OEM Porsche center radiator kit w/ air duct and spoiler molding
Bosch High Flow quiet water pump
Roto-molded fresh air intake system w/ K&N filter
Laser cut MAF mount with 3.5" housing
Roto-molded charge air plumbing
Roto-molded water reservoir & fill tank
Bosch Diverter Valve
6-High Flow Bosch Fuel Injectors
Custom oil feed and oil drain lines
CNC Machined oil feed and drain fittings
Proprietary GIAC tuned Motronic Control Unit
Goodyear water lines
Longer serpentine belt utilizing the OEM belt tensioner
Crank case ventilation system
Water pump wiring harness w/ safety LED warning indicator light
OEM quality clamps, hoses and hardware
1 year limited warranty on parts
It advertised to produce : 470 HP @ 6800 RPM’s
Torque: 360 TQ from 5000 RPM’s to 6800 RPM’s
Boost Pressure: 0.35 bar (5psi)
11-03-2004, 08:14 PM
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bcdavis - but why would cost be no object? Cost does matter.
It is price/what is received that = perception of value.
...and "what is received" is: service before the sale, service after the sale, form, function, packaging, and real and perceived quality.
I do not have a Lamborghini Countach. I'd like one. Cannot afford one. The Porsche 928 was the best Supercar that I could afford. Price matters.
Price always matters.
It is price/what is received that = perception of value.
...and "what is received" is: service before the sale, service after the sale, form, function, packaging, and real and perceived quality.
I do not have a Lamborghini Countach. I'd like one. Cannot afford one. The Porsche 928 was the best Supercar that I could afford. Price matters.
Price always matters.
05-09-2009, 08:33 PM
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That's a good question guys. I can'y figure out how 928 Motorsport takes a $2.45 made in Korea bearing and jacks the prie up to $250.00. You can buy the correct Powerdyne bearin a made in the USA KBC bearing for you impeller shaft for about $17.00. Write me at brad.allore@yahoo.ca and I'll give you the KBC part number. By the way the 928 Impellers are **** & crack.
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05-09-2009, 08:48 PM
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