BC Davis, Well said. Now I would like to chime in. I sat and ready this thread. After thinking about it, I had replaced the tranny in my car as well as a new suspension and fuel lines from dry rot amongst a bazillion other things and what still get me is where can you get 300+ HP AND get out of a car what you get from the 928? Handling,High speed,Luxury,Looks, Pleasure for 3 - 7000 k depending on how much it needs. I can not think of any car that has all of the above. And Jim had said it best about a PO and another PO and so on. You can pour money into these cars but as long as you keep the car the money was spent on yourself. Maybe when enough of them become donor vehicle and the 928 becomes harder to find then the price will go up and the car will become a COLLECTOR's car. When enough of us 928 owners stand by what we want for our cars then will the price be dictated by us. "Fine you don't want my 85s Euro for 10k go find one from someone who will give it to you cheaper". When we all say that or similar then we'll be in control.

And when the word gets out that 928 Intl. is giving parts away everyone will want a 928 Sorry Jim just having a little fun wit ya.

 

i could probably have bought a brand new nissan with all the money ive spent on my 928...

sure that would be a 350z and they do look nice, but lets see which one is in better shape after ten years.

i agree that these cars are 'undervalued' after spending nissan money on my 1986 porsche its difficult to find insurance companies who will agree a valuation on the restoration work and customisations. in this way they are severely undervalued as for me the choice is clear between a new nissan or an old but sorted shark.

 

Hey Hacker-Pschorr, I was going to try and respond to your comments, but what's the point, you are another one of the ******* in the forum that just get their kicks pushing people's buttons and trying to put people down, which I've already run into from several people while posting this thread. You have no idea what you are talking about, you do not know how I feel about 928s and if you knew half of what you thought you knew, you would find out that I actually like ALL Porsches.

 

Man, you are one angry "*****".

 

Do some research on my name and find one other post where I was bad mouthing someone. It will be a long search, you won't find much if anything.

What set me off is you attacking Jim. That is totally uncalled for, reading over the other posts I do NOT stand alone feeling like this. Before you start accusing people of something, look around first.

Don't know what I'm talking about? Sorry, I'm not going to repeat myself, I gave my points and all you can say is "Your wrong" give me specifics if your so smart.

Making a blanket statement that Porsche A is cheaper to own than Porsche B is ignorant on so many levels. I simply tried to point out specifics where the 928 is not at all on the high side, especially when compared to other German cars, not only Porsche's.

Also to try and say the 928 is harder to work on than other Porsche's has to be the silliest statement I have ever heard. Any mechanic saying this has no right going anywhere near a 928.

I don't know what I'm talking about huh? I'll tackle just one item from your "list"

Lets be real here. Even with the 993, who would buy a brand new engine if they needed one?

Doing a quick search on the largest network of used car parts in the US, the cheapest 993 engine I could find (non-turbo) was $6,000 and up to $9,000. The one for $9,000 happens to be at Oklahoma Foreign. A place I have worked with many times (for my 944)
I know of 3 928 4.7 liter engine, COMPLETE ENGINES within driving distance from Green Bay, Wisconsin. I can buy any one of these for under $1,000. One of them is $450 delivered.

There may be a better place to buy a 933 motor, but I have a feeling finding a good one for $1,000 will be kinda hard. I also know for a fact 2 of the 3 928 motors came out of running cars, and have low mileage. I cannot verify anything on the 3rd one, yes that is the $450 one.

So, like I said, for the difference in cost, I could buy a running 928.

Go ahead and tell me how wrong I am.

I don't blast people around here. I do show them how wrong they are when it comes to bashing the 928.

 

I figured that... I did actually read your sig, you know. Just poking fun, while adding a subtle reminder for other readers that "worthless" is a relative term.

 

If I could buy a good 993 engine for $1000, please give me 20 of them, thank you.

If I could buy a good 2 liter 911 engine for my original 914/6 for $1000 I would consider myself lucky and would want it thoroughly checked before I hand over the money.

If I could find a good 3 liter 911 SC engine for $1000, I would say someone is smoking wacky tobackey and the sun rises in the West.

etc., etc.....

To overhaul a 2 liter 911 properly but on the cheap, doing my own labor would cost me no less than $2500 and time and installation. And that's because I have friends with access to specific tools. I shudder to think of the cost of a 993 engine overhaul.

But, hey, if anyone can find me a good one for my 914/6, for $1000, I'll take it today.

 

Hmmm... I was thinking:

1. 93-95 - most valuable
2. GT's
3. S4's
4. Late model Euro S's
5. Early Euro S's & 86.5 32v
6. 85-86 32v
7. 80-84
8. 78-79

but maybe I'm a little biased.

 

I should have used a term like "least valuable" or "least apreciated", but I'm not one to go back and edit a post like that.

Seeing that I'm one of the regular ******** around there that just poke's at people to get a rise out of them (per hawk 993), I probably don't care what you think anyway..............


Ron_H, you have a damn good point. If you find the secret pile of 911 engines, let me know.

How often do you have to adjust the valve's on a pre 1989 911?

 

Hacker......FWIW, I have found the "ignore poster" button to be an effective way to weed out the (very) few idiots who post here.......

It is like selective hearing loss........a marvolous invention for the "senior set".

 

H-P, I'm not sweating it... not in the least! Don't worry about that guy... When his 993 hits 22 years old, he'll be crying the blues about maintenance costs.

 

H-P:

I adjust the valves around 3000 - 5000 miles and I remove the entire engine/transmission to do it. On a 914/6 I find it easier to do it that way.
Just count on an afternoon to do it. Actually, I find they don't always require adjustment that often. But it requires that I "enjoy" pulling the engine now and then, and then readjusting the clutch, struggling with the heat exchangers, linkages, etc., etc.,



I don't seem to have such concerns with the 928 though.... 150,000 miles and it leaks zero oil, and uses zero oil, and knocks me back in the seat 'til redline. And I could take my grandmother to church in it.

 

The last 3.6 911 engine I had rebuilt America Roadster using the "old " pistons and cylinders still cost me about $4,500 with parts at cost and big steep discount on labor (friend in the business). At that time used 3.6 engines were around $6,000 which I considered but decided to keep the original engine because of the rarety of the car . Rebuilding a 911 transmission can easily be a $3,000 plus exercise depending on what it needs . My old 1968 911 L which I bought for $800 dollars , yes $800 . It was a sportomatic and the engine and transmission were not in the car but complete and came with it . The car has less than 70,000 miles original interior but needed paint from being parked under a tarp for ten years (no rust) . So I took the engine and trans out of my slant nose turbo look full cage 911 race car , stroked it to be a 2.8 mechanical injection RSR style . The old race car I had begun converting to full tube frame but by the time I had it as a roller (think dune buggy with 911 roof ) I scraped the project did not like how I had done the front end so I threw it away , after I pulled off the good parts . The 68 911 with full interior , fuel cell , glass hood and rear duck tail lid and bumpers weighs 2020 lbs . If I were to sell the 68 911 for $15,000 , I would never recover what I have spent but that does not matter because I did not build it to make money just to make me smile !! I may just have it painted again . I never was satisfied with the first paint job , Painter "saved money" on paint it is too thin but still would choose Chrome Yellow as the color . For me playing with interesting cars is a hobby and fun , selling 928 parts lets me have my hobby be part of what I do each and everyday .

 

You guys are forgetting a simple fact. 928s don't need their engines rebuilt until at least 300k. They last a loooong time. The same cannot be said about 911 engines. The 2.7, 3.0, 3.2 ,3.6 regularly need rebuilding. Most 89-94 911s have had some kind of major engine work done, why??

Just look at the advertisers selling their 911s. About 60% advertise "freshly rebuilt engine"!! This is scary!! The 928s engine on the other hand will last forever compared to the aircooled ones.

All this talk about "rebuilding engines" is not part of the 928 dialog. This talk is for 911 owner to worry about, not us....

 

Weissach:

I must respectfully disagree with you. Until the 3.0L SC engines, there were definitely issues and 100,000 miles was about it. The 3.0L changed all of that and there are cars out there with over 250k miles or more on them untouched. The 2.7L mag case 911s were a disaster, but the 3.0L aluminum case changed much of that. Probably people don't maintain them and drive them properly, and the buyer profile has changed over the years. I can not remember buyers of 356s who bought their cars because they thought it was "cool" to be seen driving a Porsche; in fact, it was a bit odd and esoteric. That is not the case now. Of course every rule has its exceptions and there are genuinely informed owners of late model 911s.

Speaking of cost, the 2.7L magnesium (ugh!!) case MFI crankfired 911 engine I am building for my 914/6 is already over $12,000, and not yet assembled or dyno'd. And I found a nice '89 S4 928 this weekend for $13,000. Go figure. But the snap of one of these engines is another experience. Maybe I need a shrink, eh?? I knew one once and he had a Porsche. This is all his fault.