Ever heard this story?
05-22-2004, 08:40 AM
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Definitely J. The SP sits at 44.5" high (factory) and had a slight modified 1.8 l flat 4. Unfortunately the power did not do justice to its design. The car came with intermitted wiper (1975), interior light just like the 928 and some other cool option that I can't off right now.
Check the functional louvers. It lets the air travel through the rear quarters and feed the carbs.http://w1.316.telia.com/~u31614134/English/eSP2.htm
Check the functional louvers. It lets the air travel through the rear quarters and feed the carbs.http://w1.316.telia.com/~u31614134/English/eSP2.htm
05-22-2004, 09:43 AM
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A friend of mine has a Puma, made in Brazil as well with a flat 4.
05-22-2004, 10:10 AM
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Giovanni,
The SP-2 front does look similar to the 928 and the back looks like a 73 Ford Maverick. That, and the fact that the 928 rear looks like a Pacer, must prove that the 928 was covertly manufactured by AMC, Ford and VW.
Dennis
The SP-2 front does look similar to the 928 and the back looks like a 73 Ford Maverick. That, and the fact that the 928 rear looks like a Pacer, must prove that the 928 was covertly manufactured by AMC, Ford and VW.
Dennis
05-23-2004, 02:12 AM
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My "old timers" don't agree
My correspondent writes: "I have a friend who worked at the design center in the 80s. The old timers were still grousing about management's decision to take [the 928] to production."
>>> I attended the 928 25th anniversary celebration held in September of 2002 in Ludwigsburg, Germany. The detailed the proceedings are in an article that I authored for Forum 928. I can state with certainty that these following members of Porsche’s 928 management and design team were not “grousing” over the decision to take the 928 to market:
Peter Falk, Project Leader Weissach suspension
Prof. Helmut Flegl, Project Leader, Research and Pre-development
Wolfhelm Gorissen, Project Leader
Paul Hensler, Motor Development
Manfred Krämer, Engine Test bench
Herbert Linge, Test Driver, Development, and Workshop
Anatole “Tony” Lapine, Chief Stylist
Rainer List, Engine and Mechanical
Dr. Heinz Rabe, Management Staff - Personnel
Prof. Klaus Schellmann, Motor Development
Dietmar Scherzer, Production Manager engine and transmission
Many of this group told the attendees their remembrances of the development and successes of the 928.
I had the extreme pleasure of talking with Tony Lapine, who was the chief stylist for Porsche during the 928s time, for over 30 minutes. I asked him point blank if Porsche was disappointed with the 928. He said “certainly not” and pointed out that
- the 928 won the car of the year award upon its introduction at the March 1977 Geneva Salon
- the 928 outsold all other German cars over 50,000 DM (beating out Mercedes Benz, quite an accomplishment for tiny Porsche)
- Tony didn’t seem to care too much for the 911, he call it “an arrow shot backwards” as a reference to the rear weight bias.
Some other quotes about the 928.
Herbert Linge, factory race driver and test driver said "Porsche never tried to use the 928 as a racer, the 911 was Porsche’s production auto focused to racing. However, the 928 was the “company car.” Their 928s were used to drive to and from the track. Drivers wouldn’t give them back!"
World famous race driver Jackie Stewart and Hans Stuck owned drove 928s (likely gifts from Porsche). Wolfhelm Gorrison recalled Jackie Stewart proclaiming, “I love it! The best high speed car in the world.”
Another record of mention was the 928 setting a world record for averaging 250 kph (155 mph) over a 24 hour period, including fuel stops, tire changes and driver changes. To do this, the 928 had to average 285 kph (177 mph) when moving.
The Porsche Personalities were truly gratified that 188 Porsche 928 enthusiasts from all over the world drove 96 of their 928s to the event and celebrated their achievement that culminated some 25 years in the past.
>>> I attended the 928 25th anniversary celebration held in September of 2002 in Ludwigsburg, Germany. The detailed the proceedings are in an article that I authored for Forum 928. I can state with certainty that these following members of Porsche’s 928 management and design team were not “grousing” over the decision to take the 928 to market:
Peter Falk, Project Leader Weissach suspension
Prof. Helmut Flegl, Project Leader, Research and Pre-development
Wolfhelm Gorissen, Project Leader
Paul Hensler, Motor Development
Manfred Krämer, Engine Test bench
Herbert Linge, Test Driver, Development, and Workshop
Anatole “Tony” Lapine, Chief Stylist
Rainer List, Engine and Mechanical
Dr. Heinz Rabe, Management Staff - Personnel
Prof. Klaus Schellmann, Motor Development
Dietmar Scherzer, Production Manager engine and transmission
Many of this group told the attendees their remembrances of the development and successes of the 928.
I had the extreme pleasure of talking with Tony Lapine, who was the chief stylist for Porsche during the 928s time, for over 30 minutes. I asked him point blank if Porsche was disappointed with the 928. He said “certainly not” and pointed out that
- the 928 won the car of the year award upon its introduction at the March 1977 Geneva Salon
- the 928 outsold all other German cars over 50,000 DM (beating out Mercedes Benz, quite an accomplishment for tiny Porsche)
- Tony didn’t seem to care too much for the 911, he call it “an arrow shot backwards” as a reference to the rear weight bias.
Some other quotes about the 928.
Herbert Linge, factory race driver and test driver said "Porsche never tried to use the 928 as a racer, the 911 was Porsche’s production auto focused to racing. However, the 928 was the “company car.” Their 928s were used to drive to and from the track. Drivers wouldn’t give them back!"
World famous race driver Jackie Stewart and Hans Stuck owned drove 928s (likely gifts from Porsche). Wolfhelm Gorrison recalled Jackie Stewart proclaiming, “I love it! The best high speed car in the world.”
Another record of mention was the 928 setting a world record for averaging 250 kph (155 mph) over a 24 hour period, including fuel stops, tire changes and driver changes. To do this, the 928 had to average 285 kph (177 mph) when moving.
The Porsche Personalities were truly gratified that 188 Porsche 928 enthusiasts from all over the world drove 96 of their 928s to the event and celebrated their achievement that culminated some 25 years in the past.
05-23-2004, 02:44 AM
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Hallelujah brother!
I would expect nothing less from the proud parents of the first Porsche not saddled with the design constraints of the VW/911 layout.
Would have loved to have been there for that one.
Greg
Hallelujah brother!
I would expect nothing less from the proud parents of the first Porsche not saddled with the design constraints of the VW/911 layout.
Would have loved to have been there for that one.
Greg
05-24-2011, 09:24 AM
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This thread popped up as I was trying to learn more about Herr Linge, who is being villified in another thread about the 928 and racing in Germany.
To address an issue in this thread, "V1" was a Mercedes 350 SL (so equipped with a Mercedes V8) modified and used to test components and ideas for the 928. Source: Project 928, which was published in 1977, page 25.
The use of this Mercedes V8 engine effectively established the initial upper rpm range for the driveline (~6000 rpm).
V2: Opel Admiral
V3: Audi 100 Coupe
V4: Audi 100 Coupe
V5: Audi 100 Coupe
A number of other test chassis followed.
There are indexed pdfs of Project 928 available online.
Note: I do and have kept the information presented (and NOT presented) in Project 928 in perspective. About twenty years ago I purchased a Miata and, full of enthusiasm, purchased the book at the dealer outlining the design and development of the MX-5. Having also been a Lotus owner, I found the total absence of any mention of the Elan highly amusing.
To address an issue in this thread, "V1" was a Mercedes 350 SL (so equipped with a Mercedes V8) modified and used to test components and ideas for the 928. Source: Project 928, which was published in 1977, page 25.
The use of this Mercedes V8 engine effectively established the initial upper rpm range for the driveline (~6000 rpm).
V2: Opel Admiral
V3: Audi 100 Coupe
V4: Audi 100 Coupe
V5: Audi 100 Coupe
A number of other test chassis followed.
There are indexed pdfs of Project 928 available online.
Note: I do and have kept the information presented (and NOT presented) in Project 928 in perspective. About twenty years ago I purchased a Miata and, full of enthusiasm, purchased the book at the dealer outlining the design and development of the MX-5. Having also been a Lotus owner, I found the total absence of any mention of the Elan highly amusing.
My correspondent writes: "I have a friend who worked at the design center in the 80s. The old timers were still grousing about management's decision to take [the 928] to production."
>>> I attended the 928 25th anniversary celebration held in September of 2002 in Ludwigsburg, Germany. The detailed the proceedings are in an article that I authored for Forum 928. I can state with certainty that these following members of Porsche’s 928 management and design team were not “grousing” over the decision to take the 928 to market:
Peter Falk, Project Leader Weissach suspension
Prof. Helmut Flegl, Project Leader, Research and Pre-development
Wolfhelm Gorissen, Project Leader
Paul Hensler, Motor Development
Manfred Krämer, Engine Test bench
Herbert Linge, Test Driver, Development, and Workshop
Anatole “Tony” Lapine, Chief Stylist
Rainer List, Engine and Mechanical
Dr. Heinz Rabe, Management Staff - Personnel
Prof. Klaus Schellmann, Motor Development
Dietmar Scherzer, Production Manager engine and transmission
Many of this group told the attendees their remembrances of the development and successes of the 928.
I had the extreme pleasure of talking with Tony Lapine, who was the chief stylist for Porsche during the 928s time, for over 30 minutes. I asked him point blank if Porsche was disappointed with the 928. He said “certainly not” and pointed out that
- the 928 won the car of the year award upon its introduction at the March 1977 Geneva Salon
- the 928 outsold all other German cars over 50,000 DM (beating out Mercedes Benz, quite an accomplishment for tiny Porsche)
- Tony didn’t seem to care too much for the 911, he call it “an arrow shot backwards” as a reference to the rear weight bias.
Some other quotes about the 928.
Herbert Linge, factory race driver and test driver said "Porsche never tried to use the 928 as a racer, the 911 was Porsche’s production auto focused to racing. However, the 928 was the “company car.” Their 928s were used to drive to and from the track. Drivers wouldn’t give them back!"
World famous race driver Jackie Stewart and Hans Stuck owned drove 928s (likely gifts from Porsche). Wolfhelm Gorrison recalled Jackie Stewart proclaiming, “I love it! The best high speed car in the world.”
Another record of mention was the 928 setting a world record for averaging 250 kph (155 mph) over a 24 hour period, including fuel stops, tire changes and driver changes. To do this, the 928 had to average 285 kph (177 mph) when moving.
The Porsche Personalities were truly gratified that 188 Porsche 928 enthusiasts from all over the world drove 96 of their 928s to the event and celebrated their achievement that culminated some 25 years in the past.
>>> I attended the 928 25th anniversary celebration held in September of 2002 in Ludwigsburg, Germany. The detailed the proceedings are in an article that I authored for Forum 928. I can state with certainty that these following members of Porsche’s 928 management and design team were not “grousing” over the decision to take the 928 to market:
Peter Falk, Project Leader Weissach suspension
Prof. Helmut Flegl, Project Leader, Research and Pre-development
Wolfhelm Gorissen, Project Leader
Paul Hensler, Motor Development
Manfred Krämer, Engine Test bench
Herbert Linge, Test Driver, Development, and Workshop
Anatole “Tony” Lapine, Chief Stylist
Rainer List, Engine and Mechanical
Dr. Heinz Rabe, Management Staff - Personnel
Prof. Klaus Schellmann, Motor Development
Dietmar Scherzer, Production Manager engine and transmission
Many of this group told the attendees their remembrances of the development and successes of the 928.
I had the extreme pleasure of talking with Tony Lapine, who was the chief stylist for Porsche during the 928s time, for over 30 minutes. I asked him point blank if Porsche was disappointed with the 928. He said “certainly not” and pointed out that
- the 928 won the car of the year award upon its introduction at the March 1977 Geneva Salon
- the 928 outsold all other German cars over 50,000 DM (beating out Mercedes Benz, quite an accomplishment for tiny Porsche)
- Tony didn’t seem to care too much for the 911, he call it “an arrow shot backwards” as a reference to the rear weight bias.
Some other quotes about the 928.
Herbert Linge, factory race driver and test driver said "Porsche never tried to use the 928 as a racer, the 911 was Porsche’s production auto focused to racing. However, the 928 was the “company car.” Their 928s were used to drive to and from the track. Drivers wouldn’t give them back!"
World famous race driver Jackie Stewart and Hans Stuck owned drove 928s (likely gifts from Porsche). Wolfhelm Gorrison recalled Jackie Stewart proclaiming, “I love it! The best high speed car in the world.”
Another record of mention was the 928 setting a world record for averaging 250 kph (155 mph) over a 24 hour period, including fuel stops, tire changes and driver changes. To do this, the 928 had to average 285 kph (177 mph) when moving.
The Porsche Personalities were truly gratified that 188 Porsche 928 enthusiasts from all over the world drove 96 of their 928s to the event and celebrated their achievement that culminated some 25 years in the past.
05-24-2011, 04:04 PM
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interesting that some of the first post mention the Mercedes engine. I was at a cars for kids auction a few months ago and they had a V8 78-79 SL in sad shape. When I popped the hood open, my first impression was that its a 928 16 valve motor. But then realized the small differences. Some parts were missing like the intake and cam covers, no cam carrier like the 928, so you could see the cams. What was interesting is that the cams overall design looked the same as 16 valve 928 cams. Maybe they did use some Mercedes engine design futures for the 928 motor.
05-24-2011, 11:29 PM
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Hey ViribusUnits,
As it is DRAMATICALLY EVIDENT that you can neither read nor spell properly, you should return to an environment which will permit you to acquire such skill before participating in any further debat the enhances your lack of the aforementioned subject, or any other for that matter.
I DID NOT SAY THAT THE 928 WAS A DAIMLER BENZ PROJECT, nor a VW, nor any other carmaker's project. I just pointed out that there are many parts that are shared, and there are meny design elements that are the same in Daimler Benz, and Porsche products, having owned products from both manufacturers. Go back and CAREFULLY READ THE ENTIRE POST...!
Please do not attempt to elaborate on your ignorance, poor reading ability, poor comprenhension, or poor spelling skills. It degrades the entire forum. Many of us are significantly capable in doing the things that you are unable to do, have more experience, have seen more, and have other versions of the model from Porsche that you might not have had a chance to own.
GIVE IT A REST ALREADY. YOU ARE MAKING A BIGGER FOOL OF YOURSELF THAN BUSH, and we know that not everyone from TEXAS is like him.
As it is DRAMATICALLY EVIDENT that you can neither read nor spell properly, you should return to an environment which will permit you to acquire such skill before participating in any further debat the enhances your lack of the aforementioned subject, or any other for that matter.
I DID NOT SAY THAT THE 928 WAS A DAIMLER BENZ PROJECT, nor a VW, nor any other carmaker's project. I just pointed out that there are many parts that are shared, and there are meny design elements that are the same in Daimler Benz, and Porsche products, having owned products from both manufacturers. Go back and CAREFULLY READ THE ENTIRE POST...!
Please do not attempt to elaborate on your ignorance, poor reading ability, poor comprenhension, or poor spelling skills. It degrades the entire forum. Many of us are significantly capable in doing the things that you are unable to do, have more experience, have seen more, and have other versions of the model from Porsche that you might not have had a chance to own.
GIVE IT A REST ALREADY. YOU ARE MAKING A BIGGER FOOL OF YOURSELF THAN BUSH, and we know that not everyone from TEXAS is like him.
05-24-2011, 11:39 PM
#54
Nordschleife Master
Holy thread resurrection Batman! Dormant for over 7 years and now back to life! I have my Project 928 book right in front of me in its Paul Champagne limited edition leather sleeve!
