Speedtoys

Oh no, 240k miles.

You mean it's like if you had to buy a new motor at this point right? Not a used one, call Toyota, quote out a _new motor_ with labor. Labor on that battery replacement is like..2-3hrs work.
A used unknown 3MZFE is $2k, plus labor..a good rebuild is $4-5k? (I dont trust these $2k rebuilds..never have, BTDT)

Apples/Apples, the battery is way cheaper in this "how horrible it is" example. Not every one will be, but this was a bad example..a lot of cars are lucky to not be beer cans at 240k miles.

Shocking..you realize that 240k pretty much proves that EV technology can work just fine, if not better..if done correctly.

FWIW...congrats on going 240k..thats a good car dad for sure.

Speedtoys

What proportion of new cars in sweeden last year, compared to the rest of the western world? Any isolated market cant be used to generalize the broader challenge.

A lack of a cheap used market us no shocker, the EV market is still maturing. This is absolutely a generational shift, not a new model year shift in cars "changing" that we're used to. These 2030-2035 goals will drive significant innovation and progress. Until then, we cant use yesterdays rules to determine what the future may look like. But we can use yesterdays experiences to define where the future needs to be. That's what people solving problems do.

Manufacturers that have crap batteries (left side of the battery bell curve) are no different than fuel engines that were unreliable as crap too. It's really not that different.
I mean, manufacturers have had over a century to learn how to build cars, and..here we are...https://www.topspeed.com/the-most-un...-1500---19-100

New manufacturers will come in, lessons to be learned, entire shifts in the industry are still yet to happen.

The market will mature, there will be options..picking edge of the curve examples to paint the entire _future_ market is at best, an unwise hill to try to hold on to in the EV debate.

icsamerica

The Lexus Hybrid was a great vehicle. It drove decent for a Lexus. It's was trouble free after nearly 15 years of traversing the means streets of NYC daily. I think i did a few brake jobs, ball joints, lower control arms, plugs, a cooling fan and only front shocks. Had to charge up the A/C once. I think Hybrids are the way but the market place doesn't. There was recently a Mazda with a tiny 70 HP rotary engine as as a generator / range extender. The rotary was optimized for generator use an runs only at or near the optimal RPM. That seems brilliant to me.

My wife has as a BMW X5, 231K , Original engine and transmission. Just 9k to go until it claims the family mileage crown from the Lexus. I just did a valve cover job and everything looked like new. It recently passed NYS inspection too.... on it's original catalytic converters. I hope it makes it to 241k, transmission is a bit cranky when very cold but it's been that way for years.

Not unusul for either of these vehicle to have over 150K and still be going strong.

Speedtoys

"It's was trouble free after nearly 15 years of traversing the means streets of NYC daily"

That's...insane.

Gary Knox

Kinda' took a very large turn from the original title didn't we?

Speedtoys

A...calmer one. . That's for sure.