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Old 02-23-2023, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Darklands
I think if you have two or more 928 it's easy to deal with Greg. Rotate your cars in the shop and all is fine!

It's the same here in Germany. I finished college 1987 and in the 80's the kids want to be car mechanic.
Now we have 90 % parts changer who are helpless without an OBD II plug and a tester. The job car mechanic is gone the way of the Dodo, now we have car mechanotronics.
My friend Jochen who did 90 % 928 can't find worker for his shop so so he doesn't do restaurations with painting anymore.

The disassembled car needs half the shop for months, it's a hassle not worth. As Greg pointed out, especially the collector cars who are standing the wheels cubic needing a truck load of parts.
So new clients get an inspection and the list of horror with 10-15.000 € labour only for mechanical things.
.....There's a local American Hotrod shop that will find out that a client is coming by, pull their car out of their storage area, have the entire shop madly work on it for a week, collect another 75-100K from the client when they visit, and promptly put in back in storage, the next week.
It's a full on Ponzi scheme.

Finding help, someone trainable, someone with an IQ over 75, or someone who already knows about 928's is almost impossible.
We've been looking, for years, for the right person to become part owner of the shop and work with Kyle, for the next 30 years....or until the world crumbles.

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Old 02-23-2023, 04:37 PM
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The "Handwerk" ,German for craftmen, construction shops let their worker here 4 days the week work. We haven't craftsmen because 50 % of the young people goes to university and everybody rolls the red carpet out for employes.
Crazy world.
Old 02-23-2023, 09:04 PM
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Finding help, someone trainable, someone with an IQ over 75, or someone who already knows about 928's is almost impossible.
We've been looking, for years, for the right person to become part owner of the shop and work with Kyle, for the next 30 years....or until the world crumbles.[/QUOTE]

Beers on Friday?
(I would put that in the ad)

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Old 02-23-2023, 09:36 PM
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I keep telling Greg I'd work there, but A) he's seen how much of my work he ends up fixing, and B) after two or three days of working there trying to keep up with Greg and Kyle I need so much aspirin that I'd bleed to death if/when I cut myself on something in the shop. Everyone should have the chance to do what Greg/Sean/Stan/the real pros do day-in, day-out for a couple of days, it's a real eye opener.
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Originally Posted by PC-85-928S
Finding help, someone trainable, someone with an IQ over 75, or someone who already knows about 928's is almost impossible.
We've been looking, for years, for the right person to become part owner of the shop and work with Kyle, for the next 30 years....or until the world crumbles.
Beers on Friday?
(I would put that in the ad)[/QUOTE]

Sorry....no beers here, ever.
1. These "35-45" year old cars and the "make my car perfect again, so I can drive it home to East Shapumpy", is tough enough to do, stone sober.
2. "Friday" just means that Kyle and I still have two days left in the work week....

Try Texas....any day.
I hear that "happy hour" starts about noon and gets really serious by about 2pm, down there.
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Old 02-24-2023, 07:29 AM
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In 30 years I‘m also in the scrapyard or need parts from there so my plan is to drive the cars the next 20 years.
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I have to chime in on this one…

Even though I call from another country to Precision most of the time, I have never had any issue with Mary and Greg providing me feedback and special parts in a timely fashion. Finding people and shops that know those cars in and out and do a clean job is scarce to say the least… and this applies to the world of exotic cars in general and more so vintage and classic. I am super happy with my AZ shop (Exotic Motorwerks) who does ALL the work for me (and like PM is backed up - so be patient), but if I get the chance to have Greg’s magic touch on some areas I have always drooled on getting around to, I would be more than happy to wait for my turn as good work takes time and patience.

Like all good things in life, the best is worth the wait. My 5c
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Originally Posted by 78Silver928
I've owned my 928 for about 6 years now, done everything to it myself to get it roadworthy minus the gearbox rebuild. I've now moved to the LA area, and need a few things done that have been bothering me -- leaks, slight misfire occasionally, minor power drain, and I want the AC to function.

Who better to work on my 928 than Greg Brown and his staff? Now I'm less than an hour from his shop. I've been calling and emailing them for 7 months trying to get my car in there for work. Now I wasn't really in a hurry, but I usually expect a call back when I leave a message, but nope. Every time I talk to them I get told maybe next month. If they truly can't take my car this year, they should just tell me! I'm tired of waiting.

I think I'm going to take it to Sublime Porsches in Silver Lake. It's even closer, and they responded quickly to an email so that's a start. Excellent reviews on Google. Anyone have experience with them?
A large majority of 928 owners, especially those of us in the old world, do not have access to a distinguished repairer like Mr. Brown. In general, we may not have access to a repairman at all. I wouldn't dare to hand in any of my 928 Strosek cars to the local Porsche dealer who is located far away. There you might be greeted by a young man with pimples who doesn't know in which end the engine is.
It is best to work on the car yourself, then you know it has been done well.
From 2035, the European Union will ban the sale of cars burning fossil fuels. The question is how long fossil fuels will be available. The future is spelled electric.
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Originally Posted by Strosek Ultra
There you might be greeted by a young man with pimples who doesn't know in which end the engine is.
Or in SF Bay area..a long haired blonde girl not old enough to rent a car, who can manage a classic transaxle..

Originally Posted by Strosek Ultra
The question is how long fossil fuels will be available.

Id say easily into your grandchildren's adult life...if not forever.

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Porsche is already investing in alternative fuels and has a plant making fuel from water.

I wouldn't worry about it for the rest of my life and I'm 26...

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a4...le-production/
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Originally Posted by Speedtoys


Id say easily into your grandchildren's adult life...if not forever.
I hope you are right, Question is at what cost and availability. Here in NYC Manhattan, specifically there are only 4 gas stations south of Central Park. There are just 20 gas station on the entire Island of Manhattan where 2.6 million people live and work each day. Most of these stations are up north near the Bronx. Regulators are doing a good job at making gassing up expensive and a hassle. I travel in and around Manhattan weekly and stations close up quite often all across the city even in the outer boro's. At some point the land becomes so valuable that an expansive gas station with all the regulation and compliance issues becomes a money looser. I suspect this will occur in most big cities as electric cars, public transit and Uber like services become more the norm. I'm confident in my life time combustion powered cars will be banned outright in most of Manhattan to start becasue here exists an animosity to fossil fuels that you can feel. Odd thing is that Horses can still be seen on the Streets of Manhattan on a Daily basis and there are 5 horse stables south of Central Park so at some point we may have more horses than the Combustion powered cars than replaced them.

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Originally Posted by Strosek Ultra
The question is how long fossil fuels will be available.
Id say easily into your grandchildren's adult life...if not forever.

You don't know the politicians in the European Union. There is something called financial
incentives, in other words taxing fossil fuels so much that no one can afford them.
Åke

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Originally Posted by Strosek Ultra
A large majority of 928 owners, especially those of us in the old world, do not have access to a distinguished repairer like Mr. Brown. In general, we may not have access to a repairman at all. I wouldn't dare to hand in any of my 928 Strosek cars to the local Porsche dealer who is located far away. There you might be greeted by a young man with pimples who doesn't know in which end the engine is.
It is best to work on the car yourself, then you know it has been done well.
From 2035, the European Union will ban the sale of cars burning fossil fuels. The question is how long fossil fuels will be available. The future is spelled electric.
Åke
Originally Posted by Strosek Ultra
Originally Posted by Strosek Ultra
The question is how long fossil fuels will be available.
Id say easily into your grandchildren's adult life...if not forever.

You don't know the politicians in the European Union. There is something called financial
incentives, in other words taxing fossil fuels so much that no one can afford them.
Åke
No, but looking through the hyperbole of politics, identify what a GOAL is, and is not, and adjust for what a practical path is...

Unless something Star Trek in nature shows up, easily distributable energy is going to remain crude/gas based, at some scale. In the ST universe, the air and water is clean, because of 'free no consequences energy'...we aint there yet.

For a shrinking market, sure..but never..in as far as I will ever lay eyes on future family members, their lifetimes. I imagine it will still take 40-60yrs to _really_ replace 80% of the vehicle market with 100% electric considering new cars are lasting longer all the time, IF the 2035/etc goals stick towards 100% EV sales only.

I just don't see the rampup in manufacturing doing that in 10yrs, Global EV manufacturing is still below 10% of total cars produced per year. That's one hell of a problem to grow 10x in our lifetime considering the raw materials supply challenges.
Now..in a decade, I see a broad landscape in battery recycling, in the last # of years, that techology has ramped up from a science project to on paper, commercially viable.

https://www.utilitydive.com/news/doe...-award/634562/

Good discussion.
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Originally Posted by Speedtoys
No, but looking through the hyperbole of politics, identify what a GOAL is, and is not, and adjust for what a practical path is...

Unless something Star Trek in nature shows up, easily distributable energy is going to remain crude/gas based, at some scale. In the ST universe, the air and water is clean, because of 'free no consequences energy'...we aint there yet.

For a shrinking market, sure..but never..in as far as I will ever lay eyes on future family members, their lifetimes. I imagine it will still take 40-60yrs to _really_ replace 80% of the vehicle market with 100% electric considering new cars are lasting longer all the time, IF the 2035/etc goals stick towards 100% EV sales only.

I just don't see the rampup in manufacturing doing that in 10yrs, Global EV manufacturing is still below 10% of total cars produced per year. That's one hell of a problem to grow 10x in our lifetime considering the raw materials supply challenges.
Now..in a decade, I see a broad landscape in battery recycling, in the last # of years, that techology has ramped up from a science project to on paper, commercially viable.

https://www.utilitydive.com/news/doe...-award/634562/

Good discussion.
The proportion of electric cars sold in Sweden in 2022 was 56%.
I myself have eight gas-powered cars, three of which are 928 Strosek.
In my lifetime I will never buy any more cars, I'm all busy looking after the cars I have.
One thing that has been discussed is that there are no cheap used electric cars on the market. People with a little money can find a good gas powered used car for $1000-$2000 maybe less. Who dares to buy an used electric car where the warranty on the battery has expired. Batteries are very expensive, I have heard prices between 25000 and 65000 USD for a battery. You've probably heard of the Finn who blew up his Tesla with dynamite instead of buying a new battery for $22,000.
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Old 03-02-2023, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Strosek Ultra
The proportion of electric cars sold in Sweden in 2022 was 56%.
I myself have eight gas-powered cars, three of which are 928 Strosek.
In my lifetime I will never buy any more cars, I'm all busy looking after the cars I have.
One thing that has been discussed is that there are no cheap used electric cars on the market. People with a little money can find a good gas powered used car for $1000-$2000 maybe less. Who dares to buy an used electric car where the warranty on the battery has expired. Batteries are very expensive, I have heard prices between 25000 and 65000 USD for a battery. You've probably heard of the Finn who blew up his Tesla with dynamite instead of buying a new battery for $22,000.
Åke
https://www.google.com/search?q=spr%C3%A4ngde+Tesla&oq=spr%C3%A4ngde+Tesla&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i 512.11625j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:ee6086c8,vid:Wq-Ij55RPP
You've detailed my recent scenario, A few months ago my Lexus Rx400h hybrid battery failed with 240k on the clock. The prospect of investing 6k for a replacement battery was not tenable. I replaced the RX which was my daily driver with a much maligned E53 BMW X5 for 1850$ (they drive amazing BTW) BUT things have changed in the 6 months since... I just checked and "Remanufactured" batteries with warrantees have become available for 2 to 3K. That would have changed my calculous.


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