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Old 05-08-2004, 12:36 PM
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Noisy HVAC system.
The AC on full is nearly deafening IMHO, way to much "airflow" noise.

Road noise from the rear wheel well area.

Need for wider wheels up front

Thats about it really.
Being designed in the mid 70's and in my case built in 5-87...thats a pretty short list!



Old 05-08-2004, 01:13 PM
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Sunroof is on the small side. As far as engine service goes for timing belts and whatnot I can't see complaining as my other favorite vehicle, the Ferrari 512TR needs its engine pulled for the same jobs.
Old 05-08-2004, 03:28 PM
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Rattling hatch?

Try checking the 2 allen-head screws that hold the hatch-catch receptacle to the body. They seem to often vibrate loose on the cars and cause the hatch to rattle. Check this first.

The other thing is the 2 adjustable 'snubbers' - one on either side of the hatch. You want them adjusted so the hatch closes completely against the weatherstrip all around. You also want them screwed out far enough so that the hatch is not 'bottoming out' over every train track, causing a rattle. Try unscrewing them about 1/4 turn, then close the hatch.

Push down on the hatch and see if it has movement. If it's more than just a bit (maybe 1 mm or so) unscrew the snubbers another 1/4 turn and repeat.

HTH,

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Old 05-08-2004, 04:46 PM
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No rear window wash on an 87 (was this introduced later?)
Too many plastic parts that break, both in the engine bay and the cabin

Doesn't seem like I have too many complaints, which of, course I don't. I can't imagine any other car that I could afford to buy that gives this level of performance, aesthetics and practicality.
Old 05-08-2004, 04:48 PM
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How about arm rests that aren't so hard? I get sore arms...

-I've always thought of that timing belt as a poisonous snake that lives under the hood. They're fun to have as pets...as long as you don't get bitten. Oops! Snakes tend to be a bit unpredictable.....

Volkswagen as far back as 1985 had a fantastic pneumatic door locks system. My '85 Scirocco and '92 Corrado both had this system, which worked flawlessly, and allowed you to open the trunk separately, even without the key. Why Porsche didn't purchase/license this is beyond me.

Oh...and you could get your spare keys at Wal-Mart.....

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Old 05-08-2004, 06:04 PM
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This is getting into a "what would we like on a new 928?" thread. My answer: Folding Hardtop.
Old 05-08-2004, 08:56 PM
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So, based on your psychology studies, what do you call this - an inferiorty complex? THAT's what you are trying to cure with your supercharger! OK, makes sense.
More like a superiority complex since I stated of lesser cars. If it were an inferiority complex I would likely feel I/my car should be slower than the others not faster.


Now about your affinity for strokers........You do reallize they have a longer stroke right? You don't seem to be concerned w/ how fast they go just that they are strokers and they are supposed to last a long time.


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Old 05-08-2004, 09:21 PM
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I've always hated the squared-off wheel openings. What were the stylists thinking when all the other styling cues are rounded like a UFO?

I do not like the fact that the body is straight as an arrow on the sides with no flairs, except of course for the GTS. The rear flairs on the GTS should have been on the car from the beginning.

I don't like how the rear side-glass extends all the way back and ends up in a point; the glass looks too long and disproportional. I think it would have looked much better if the side-glass were shortened, and rounded (..like the 911's).

Except for the GTS Cup wheels (..993 wheels), the 928 has to have the ugliest factory wheels ever! They are too small, and makes the car look like it's on stilts. And those squared wheel wells only make it look worse.

To me, the 993 has the best lines of any car on the road since it has the muscular 'Coke-bottle' shape. If only the 928 had just a little bit of those sexy curves.

Check this one out (..warning, lots-a pics): http://www.modica.co.uk/porsche.htm

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Old 05-08-2004, 09:40 PM
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I CONCUR Mr. Lagavulin-I CONCUR. Mike
Old 05-09-2004, 03:01 AM
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Some of my list are no fault of my car. However, they are problems with my pride and joy, so I included them. I also have a list of faults I find with the S4, but I limited my list to just my car.

1&2, my fault.

3. The rattle is highly annoying, possibly an adjustment.

4. The 83 doesn't have that butten to relace the hatch, it was introduced on the 85 or 87, I think. I belive it should have been there from the word go. Also, I belive it should NOT have been electric. It should have been a simple push/pull cable, going to a simple latch.

5. This is a personal preference. I'm always wanting more light.

6. My fault. The car did very well. The Honda was totaled, and it may as well have been made out of cardboard. I suffered screwed up paint, plastic bumper cover, and a driveing light. I still don't like the dammage.

7. The 2nd gear syncro wears prematurely on the early model car's. I belive this is because of the clutch. When the clutch starts to fail, you don't really notice it because the syncro does it's job. However, when that much torque is applyed to the suncro, it wears out rapidly. Predictably, the first gear to wear out is 2nd gear. To solve, I would have wanted a better indicator that the clutch was wearing out. The later single disk clutchs transmittions with the bogg-warner syncros don't seem to have this problem. (nor do any of the other cars I've driven with similer milage.)

8. There is little excuse as far as I can tell for the US 928's engines. No wounder the 911's sold better. The engineers built the perfect car, and then forgot to add the perfect motor to match. The 928 was suppost to leave nothing to the 911. Thus it's a replacement. To equal the 911 in power to weight, it needs at least 300 hp. If you take a US 924 or 944 from the comperable year, enlarge them to 4.7l, we should have 300 hp. The S4 should have been built upward from there. The S4 should have had around 330-350 hp. The GTS, over 400.

9. I don't want an electric fan. I want a belt driven, electricaly clutched one. Preferably a clutch that only draws current when it's switching. This away, I have all the efficency of a bolted, belt driven fan, with the lack of unneccary power drag of a solid bolted, belt driven fan. At the same time, I mannage to avoid the power losses of turning shaft work into electricy, and then back into shaft work. A win win situation. It should have come from the factory like this.

10. The altnator problems are ENTIRELY the engineer's fault. They didn't resize the altnator when they installed the a/c for the early cars as best as I can tell. The stock altnator will not support the EFI system, ignition system, a/c clutch, a/c fan, a/c blower, headlights, running lights near idle. It will bearly support this power level at cruiseing rpm. Anytime I come up to a traffic light, I'm drawing from the battery. As best as I can tell, everything draws too many amps for the altnator to support at the lower rpm. I should not have to install a larger altnator to support the STOCK electrical load. This is only an issue in the early type cars, cause the fixed it later.

11. The steering assist is not varried with car speed, which is the relevent factor. At least not on the 83. When I'm crusing down the highway at 55mph, (the max US speed limit when the car was built, except in Utah.) my engine rpms are only slightly higher than when I'm slideing through a parking lot. When I'm cruiseing down the highway, it's perfect. When I'm moveing in a parking lot, I could use MUCH more assist.

12. I see thats a common thought. As for flicking pennys, flick them upward out the side window. Works just as well.

13. My father's 83 Peterbuilt 18 wheel truck has EXACLY the system I want. No magic ball needed. There are no breakable vaccum digframs, hoses, or sensors. It provides perfectly cold or hot air when demanded, from exactly the source demanded from. It's light, simple, and yet more effective. And more reliable too! If I am every in a position of power in any automotive company, you'll always be able to spot the car's I've got influance on by the a/c controls. Most everything out there in passanger cars drives me up the wall. Also Porsche didn't put too much throught into the details of the design. By call accounts, the a/c compressore clutch is about 45% undersized. It lasts for a while, and then dies. It's just not big enough to hanndle the current. Thats sloppy.

14. The early 80s sucked for dash's in general. The plastic's just didn't hold up. However, even in the early 80s the plastics used in the dash pod where known to suffer from getting brittle and cracking. For this I'm talking about the parts behind the covers. I would have selected a much more durable plastic to mannufactor the gauge houseing out of. The odometer gear would be brass, as well as most other gears in the units. There would be more gauges, and idoit lights. Most specificly, a transmittion/final drive temp, and an engine oil temp guage. The automatic cars would have a control pressure guage as well. Finaly, there would be idoit lights for low transmittion fluid, or gear oil, or both depending on the transmittion.

15. An LSF was an option that my car was not equiped with. Would be nice in limited traction conditions.

16. I want AWD for slick conditons. Namely, RAIN! We get an awul lougth of rain at times. It's awful difficult to apply even 234 hp in such conditions. AWD would have been awsome. I haven't yet figured out a slick way to carry it out.

17. 8" lights should have come with the car to the US in 78. There are no excuses, expept maybe they needed to rush it a bit.

18. Should have come stock. No reason not to. Eighter dualed out, or a huge single. Eighter way, it should be bigger to match the 300 hp engine that the S should have had.

19. I NEED full sized spares. Heading along at 55 or 65 mph is on limited tread patch is UNACCEPTABLE. I've used the full size spare I put in the car hatch area twice already. I used it many more times on my previous cars. There are miles of open, bare, roads in Texas. The odds of picking up a nail, or something and being 50 miles away from help are VERY good.

20. Better fuel milage. Desile is a possibility. Like I said, maybe dreaming.

21. 4 channale antilock brakes and traction control to match would have been cool. But, thats a bit of wishful thinking.

22. If you ever look out the rear view mirror when going over a rough road, you can see the objects behind you "move" They're not actualy moveing, but the glass is flexing, and it's distorting the view of the stuff behind you. If your like me, you can also hear it as it resonates.

23. Cup holders should have come from the factory. It's unaccpetalbe to forget such things. Why do they give us a 20 gallon fuel tank, if we can't also fill up 20 oz cups?

All this said, I love the way the spider intake looks. I know of no way to run the vacuum hoseing outside of the stock set up, and I've thought about it long and hard. I like the look of the early model engines over the S4s. More "engine" less covers. The early model car's drive trains are mostly bullet proof, except one issue. The clutch. The clutch is great, except when it wears out, it takes the syncros with it.
Old 05-09-2004, 03:43 AM
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Originally posted by UKKid35
No rear window wash on an 87 (was this introduced later?)
Was available later as a Porsche Exclusive option. Pretty expensive...
Old 05-09-2004, 06:22 AM
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After a year of ownership I still can't park the 928 without taking a second look at it. The lines are amazing, the finish is far superior to anything else and it is affordable. It truly is a cult car with selective propriety.
Old 05-09-2004, 08:30 AM
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I just think of two things. I wish the openings for the radiator/air intake were larger and had better air flow (S4) because it seems to need the cooling fans a lot at lower speeds. Look at the new ford GT or the old Cobra. Huge intake. Also, I wish the car in general were designed more with ease of servicing in mind.
Hey, I know it's me that's not up to speed: I am not a good enough mechanic, and I don't have my own lift. Those are the real weak areas (me) because these are such amazing cars.
Old 05-09-2004, 08:50 AM
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By Lagavulin:

"I've always hated the squared-off wheel openings. What were the stylists thinking when all the other styling cues are rounded like a UFO?

I do not like the fact that the body is straight as an arrow on the sides with no flairs, except of course for the GTS. The rear flairs on the GTS should have been on the car from the beginning.

I don't like how the rear side-glass extends all the way back and ends up in a point; the glass looks too long and disproportional. I think it would have looked much better if the side-glass were shortened, and rounded (..like the 911's). "

-I think that when the car was designed in the early 1970's, this look was en vogue with American automobile designers. Anatole Lapine was fresh from general motors at the time.

As to the GTS fender flares: You said it all! I hadn't actually seen a GTS up close until SITM last year; in person they are much more impressive than in pictures.

I think that when Porsche designed this car, they were trying to make a new statement that was recognizeable as a Porsche. Thus they wanted as many 911 cues as possible. Many of my friends have told me that the two-valve engine looks like it might be a flat-8. Also, look at a 911 from the rear and you'll see a gentle similarity as to how the upper rear sides of the car taper toward the center, pulling the windows in with them. This is why the hatch on our cars tapers toward the rear edge...thus pulling the window around with it.

-Sorry, this last detail is actually one of my favorites!

Viribus, I cannot help but think that many of your wants have to do with your particular car:

4. I suspect something is missing; I thought all the 928's had a hatch release on both sides.

7. My understanding is that a properly bled clutch [not easy!] solves a lot of the failed synchro problems. But not all- pre BW they are a little weak. When I finally got mine bled right, the shifting was much much better.

8. You'll note that the original 928 engine was 5.0 liters and 300 hp. The majority of cars sold in '80 and later outside the US had 300+ hp. For the American market...they had to meet emissions and fuel economy standards. Thus they increased torque/reduced horsepower just to the point where the car could outrun a corvette of the same year, and nothing more. Blame the regulators, not Porsche.

9. I've never heard of an electrically clutched mechanical fan, but then again I don't know everything! Extra complication...

10. You've got an electrical problem somewhere, because my '85 never lacks for juice. Granted, I have a 115 amp Motorola from the factory. If you don't have one like this, try to upgrade to this rating, or start looking for an odd current draw somewhere....

11. Why do you need variable power assist? Just more complication and weight. More threads on Rennlist on how to fix it when it breaks. Hey- I'm built like a twig and yet I never have trouble parking this car!

13. They could have built an AC system with pushrods instead of vacuum controls, but then the ***** would need to be big [ugly], and as the mechanism aged...the connections would loose their grease and the tubes the rods ride in would get rough...eventually a rod would bend and then nothing would work right. My Volkswagens never had AC head problems; they should have used something similar instead of the electronic thing we have right now.

14. The pods really did kind of suck didn't they? Well, they didn't know that cracking would happen on a large scale back then.

16. You don't need the extra 300 pounds that AWD would cost. And AWD cars go spinning off of wet roads just as fast. For racing they are better since they have very neutral characteristics when they lose traction, and lose it less often....but they still lose it. They are better in snow....though you still need to drive them slow.

18. The US required sealed beam headlights until 1985. I don't think that an 8 inch sealed beam was available in '83, or Porsche would have used them. I have the 8 inch H4's on my car- I wish the 747 I fly had lights like this!!

19. I'd like to buy run-flats and delete the spare, jack, and compressor all together. But run-flats are hideously expensive...not worth it yet. Funny: I've never used my spare in 5 years of ownership. What's going on with your tires?

22. Glass doesn't flex- your hatch is moving around, most likely. You say you have a rear end rattle....?

23. I have a great cup holder: The counter in my house. I don't eat or drink in my car....

B safe!

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Old 05-09-2004, 11:08 AM
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Originally posted by Normy
I have a great cup holder: The counter in my house. I don't eat or drink in my car....
Me neither!

The cup holder ranks up there with the person who posted once that he doesn't want to shift out of 5th gear to 'race' someone, and wanted to know the best forced induction solution for that driving style. To him I'd say, save your money and don't buy a kit; instead, downshift as the resultant performance under those conditions would probably be the same.

If one enjoys driving their 928 while eating and drinking without downshifting, then keep on doing it; different strokes for different folks!


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